Dear secondaryhighway,

You've been warned by several users worldwide about mass changes of highway tagging, mainly related with the service=* tag, but not only.

First of all, mechanical edits must be discussed following the automated edits code of conduct [1]. This means you have to discuss your plans with the affected communities (local and/or worldwide) and document all the process, tools, etc, beforehand.

Second, all these problematic edits have had to be reverted, and that's a waste of precious time that could have been avoided if you had asked about your plans before starting to make changes. Many thanks to user Mateusz Konieczny!!

So please stop making these changes, and discuss any plans with the involved communities before you resume mapping.

Best regards,

Rafael Avila Coya, on behalf of the OSM Foundation, Data Working Group.

[Ticket#2023080610000092]

[1] osm.wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct

Drogi Filosiq:

Kilku użytkowników komentuje wiele Twoich zestawów zmian, wskazując na błędne i fikcyjne edycje. Proszę, sprawdź wszystkie te zestawy zmian i odpowiedz na ich komentarze przed kontynuowaniem wprowadzania zmian na mapie. Oferują oni również swoją pomoc, abyś mógł poprawić swoje mapowanie.

Twoje komentarze również nie mają charakteru informacyjnego. Proszę, rób dobre komentarze, aby inni użytkownicy mogli zrozumieć, co robisz. Masz wiki, gdzie jest napisane, jaki powinien być dobry komentarz: osm.wiki/Pl:Dobre_komentarze_zestawu_zmian

Pozdrawiam,

Rafael Avila Coya, w imieniu OSM Foundation, Data Working Group.

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Dear Filosiq:

Several users are commenting many of your changesets, pointing to erroneous and fictitious edits. Please, check all those changesets and answer to their comments before continuing to make changes to the map. They are also offering you their help so you can correct your mapping.

Your comments are also not informative. Please, make good comments, so other users will be able to understand what you are doing. You have a wiki where it tells you what a good comment should be: osm.wiki/Pl:Dobre_komentarze_zestawu_zmian

Best regards,

Rafael Avila Coya, on behalf of the OSM Foundation, Data Working Group.

[Ticket#2023080310000061]

Hola, Jordi MF II,

Estás recibiendo varios mensajes del usuario Jordi MF a las que no contestas.

Las quejas son porque estás cambiando nombres de calles violando, aparentemente, la regla de "Mapear lo que hay sobre el terreno (Map what's on the ground rule).

También estás, aparentemente, abreviando nombres de centros educativos, cuando el consenso no es ese. El consenso es poner el nombre no abreviado en name=* y puedes usar la etiqueta short_name=* para las abreviaturas. Por favor, lee esta wiki antes de continuar: osm.wiki/ES:Nombres

Finalmente, aún no siendo ilegal, no creo que sea muy adecuado usar un nombre tan parecido al de otro usuario. Ten presente que puedes cambiar tu nombre de usuario en todo momento. Mi recomendación es que uses otro.

Por todo esto, por favor, deja un rato de mapear y contesta a las preguntas de Jordi MF. OpenStreetMap es, ante todo, una comunidad de usuarios, y como comunidad debemos mapear de una forma consensuada, discutiendo los diferentes enfoques para llegar a acuerdos y disfrutar cartografiando.

Saludos cordiales,

Rafael Avila Coya, Fundación OpenStreetMap, Data Working Group.

[Ticket#2023072510000192]

Well, digging into the question, I found this discussion in github: https://github.com/openstreetmap/osm2pgsql/issues/994

I've overpassed the whole database, and land masses are divided in two with respect to this tagging: 102 are tagged as type=land_area and 93 as type=boundary + boundary=land_area

I hadn't checked that the wiki hasn't been discussed enough. It has only two versions.

It would be interesting to bring this discussion to the tagging mailing list.

Rafael.

Sent message with 0-hour block: osm.org/user_blocks/7323

Rafael Avila Coya, OSMF's DWG

[Ticket#2023071910000202]

Dear mboeringa,

We have received a complaint about this change of the tag capital from "yes" to "2".

The OSM community has agreed de facto on this tagging: capital=*#How_to_map

Moreover, it's not true that "other country capitals" are tagged as capital=2 instead of capital=yes. Just check Paris (node/17807753) or London (node/107775) as just two examples.

I have changed the value of capital back to "yes" for Madrid city node, and added admin_level=2, although this last tag is not really needed, as capital=yes implies already admin_level=2.

In case you disagree, please get in touch with the OSM local community before any change to the map.

Best regards,

Rafael Avila Coya, on behalf of OSM Foundation, Data Working Group.

[1] node/21068295

[Ticket#2023071810000115]

Just one comment about your changeset comment: we don't map in order to facilitate the use of the data, but in order to describe what we have on the ground. So changing an object tag just to facilitate the "export as geometry" is unacceptable.

Regards,

Rafael.

Dear Hadtune,

You have changed the tagging of quite many land masses, like Mainland Australia here. Your new tagging is not compliant with what the wiki says for this kind of objects. Please see: osm.wiki/Relation:land_area

You've done it apparently without a previous discussion with the community.

As a result, we have received a warning from one user, pointing to this issue.

Please, stop doing these changes to the map, and answer the questions other users ask you, like the one from Triskal above.

I am afraid that your changes will have to be reverted at some point.

Best regards,

Rafael Avila Coya, on behalf of OSMF's Data Working Group.

[Ticket#2023071810000133]

Dear wizerbar,

In this changeset you added house numbers to several buildings. Yet, you say the source are Esri aerial imagery, from which we can't get house numbers.

There are repeated claims you are using cadastre data for your edits.

Please, stop your mapping until you explain what the sources of your data are.

Best regards,

Rafael Avila Coya, on behalf of the OSM Foundation, Data Working Group

[Ticket#2023071110000084]

Уважаемый wizerbar,

В этом наборе изменений Вы добавили номера домов к нескольким зданиям. При этом Вы указываете, что источником являются аэрофотоснимки Esri, из которых мы не можем получить номера домов.

Вы неоднократно утверждали, что используете для своих правок кадастровые данные.

Пожалуйста, прекратите картографирование, пока не объясните, что является источником ваших данных.

С наилучшими пожеланиями,

Rafael Avila Coya, OSMF Data Working Group

[Ticket#2023071110000084]

Non, je voulais dire que j'avais corrigée l'île de Goré.

Hi again,

I add this wiki, that explains in good detail what we should take in mind about naming in OSM: osm.wiki/Names

Note that for the name=* tag it says the following: "For disputed areas, please use the name as displayed on, e.g., street signs for the name tag". So there you have one clue to guide you on your naming for your area.

Best regards,

Rafael.

أهلا مرة أخرى،

أضفت هذا الويكي ، الذي يشرح بتفصيل جيد ما يجب أن نأخذه في الاعتبار حول التسمية في OSM: osm.wiki/Names

لاحظ أنه بالنسبة name=* العلامة تقول ما يلي: "بالنسبة للمناطق المتنازع عليها ، يرجى استخدام الاسم كما هو معروض على ، على سبيل المثال ، لافتات الشوارع لبطاقة الاسم". لذلك لديك دليل واحد لإرشادك في تسمية منطقتك.

أطيب التحيات،

رافائيل.

Dear all,

First of all, please avoid any naming edit war. Such a behavior is unacceptable in OSM, and would eventually end up with users being blocked, in order to stop changing a place name over and over.

OpenStreetMap relies on local OSM communities to decide about many different aspects of mapping their areas. When there is disagreement about a particular matter, like place naming, the best advice is to follow the on the ground rule: osm.wiki/Good_practice#Map_what's_on_the_ground

It's not us the Data Working Group who should tell what the best rule would be for Algeria, but as far as I've seen from different internet images, the signs of roads, places and streets look to be most of the time in arabic + french, like for example "تازولت Tazoult".

So one possibility would be to tag place names in those two languages, as people will find that in the signs along the road. On the contrary, English doesn't look to be used for signs on the ground and it's not the Algeria official language, so it should be avoided in the name=* tag (there is the name:en=* tag for that).

Adding two or even three languages in the name=* tag is very common in OSM, so you don't need to agree to put the name=* in only one language. One example is in Morocco, where they put the name of places in three different languages.

Best regards,

Rafael Avila Coya, on behalf of OSM Foundation, Data Working Group.

أعزائي،

بادئ ذي بدء ، يرجى تجنب أي حرب تحرير التسمية. مثل هذا السلوك غير مقبول في OSM ، وينتهي في النهاية بحظر المستخدمين ، من أجل التوقف عن تغيير اسم المكان مرارًا وتكرارًا.

تعتمد OpenStreetMap على مجتمعات OSM المحلية لاتخاذ قرار بشأن العديد من الجوانب المختلفة لرسم خرائط مناطقهم. عندما يكون هناك خلاف حول مسألة معينة ، مثل تسمية الأماكن ، فإن أفضل نصيحة هي اتباع القاعدة على الأرض: osm.wiki/Good_practice#Map_what's_on_the_ground

نحن لسنا نحن مجموعة عمل البيانات التي يجب أن تحدد أفضل قاعدة للجزائر ، ولكن بقدر ما رأيت من صور الإنترنت المختلفة ، تبدو علامات الطرق والأماكن والشوارع في معظم الأوقات باللغة العربية + الفرنسية ، مثل "تازولت تازولت".

لذا فإن أحد الاحتمالات هو وضع علامات على أسماء الأماكن بهاتين اللغتين ، حيث سيجد الناس ذلك في اللافتات الموجودة على طول الطريق. على العكس من ذلك ، لا يبدو أن اللغة الإنجليزية تستخدم للإشارات على الأرض وليست اللغة الرسمية للجزائر ، لذلك يجب تجنبها في الاسم name=* العلامة (هناك الاسم name:en=* علامة لذلك).

تعد إضافة لغتين أو حتى ثلاث لغات في name=* tag أمرًا شائعًا جدًا في OSM ، لذلك لا تحتاج إلى الموافقة على وضع nameبلغة=* واحدة فقط. أحد الأمثلة في المغرب ، حيث وضعوا أسماء الأماكن بثلاث لغات مختلفة.

أطيب التحيات،

Rafael Avila Coya, on behalf of OSM Foundation, Data Working Group.

[Ticket#2023071610000191]

Ok, thank you for comment, wizerbar.

Just make sure to use only sources we have permission to use, because otherwise we have to revert edits, and if massive that will take a big effort on our side.

Best regards,

Rafael Avila Coya, OSMF Data Working Group

Хорошо, спасибо за комментарий, wizerbar.

Только убедитесь, что вы используете только те источники, на которые у нас есть разрешение, потому что в противном случае нам придется переделывать правки, а это потребует больших усилий с нашей стороны.

С уважением,

Rafael Avila Coya, OSMF Data Working Group

Dear koki2529:

Please, follow the above advice by ppnplus. Roads that don't have a name don't need to be named. If a road has indeed not a name, you can add the tag noname=yes

It would be nice if you leave a comment here telling your point of view.

Best regards,

Rafael Avila Coya, on behalf of OSMF Data Working Group.

เรียน koki2529:

โปรดปฏิบัติตามคำแนะนำข้างต้นโดย ppnplus ถนนที่ไม่มีชื่อก็ไม่ต้องตั้งชื่อ หากถนนไม่มีชื่อจริงๆ คุณสามารถเพิ่มแท็ก noname=yes

คงจะดีถ้าคุณแสดงความคิดเห็นที่นี่เพื่อบอกเล่ามุมมองของคุณ

ขอแสดงความนับถืออย่างสูง,

Rafael Avila Coya ในนามของ OSMF Data Working Group

User Sky000 blocked: osm.org/user_blocks/7314

[Ticket#2023070910000294]

osm.org/user_blocks/7305

[Ticket#2023070910000294]

Dear alessandrocarmeli,

Since long ago, many local users complain about your edits, that apparently don't follow the rules of the wiki, like trunk road classification in Italy.

Instead of ignoring their comments, I invite you to follow what the Italian community has agreed on these matters, and discuss with them if you don't agree with something and want to change it. That's the only way; edit wars are unacceptable.

Best regards,

Rafael Avila Coya, on behalf of OSMF Data Working Group

Caro alessandrocarmeli,

Da tempo molti utenti locali si lamentano delle tue modifiche, che apparentemente non seguono le regole del wiki, come la classificazione delle strade statali in Italia.

Invece di ignorare i loro commenti, ti invito a seguire ciò che la comunità italiana ha concordato su questi argomenti, e a discutere con loro se non sei d'accordo con qualcosa e vuoi cambiarlo. Questo è l'unico modo; le guerre di modifica sono inaccettabili.

Cordiali saluti,

Rafael Avila Coya, a nome del Data Working Group, OSMF.

[ Ticket#2023071110000173]

[Ticket#2023071110000093]

Estimado maaccaa,

Por favor, responde a las preguntas/preocupaciones de la comunidad de usuarios, en este caso del usuario felipeeugenio

Los nombres, en general, solo usan mayúsculas para la primera letra de cada palabra, y no de todas. Por favor, lee este wiki para más información: osm.wiki/ES:Nombres#Caracteres_en_may%C3%BAsculas

Un saludo cordial,

Rafael Avila Coya, Fundación OpenStreetMap, Data Working Group

Dear wizerbar,

We can't use data sources we don't have permission in order to map in OSM. Please answer the question of user 4004 here.

Best regards,

Rafael Avila Coya, on behalf of OSMF Data Working Group

Уважаемый wizerbar,

Мы не можем использовать источники данных, на которые у нас нет разрешения, для создания карт в OSM. Пожалуйста, ответьте на вопрос пользователя 4004 здесь.

С наилучшими пожеланиями,

Рафаэль Авила Койя, от имени рабочей группы по данным OSMF

[Ticket#2023071110000084]