OpenStreetMap logo OpenStreetMap

Changeset When Comment
140296500 over 2 years ago

1 - define correct? there are no ukrainian names for *all* the places which were changed there, and there are 10s of thousands of them. Adding a translation to a places like some random river near Vladivistok to Ukrainian is beyond meaningless. There is no need for those translations, which are especially 100% politically motivated.
2 - your account have basically zero commits on OSM, so no mapping experience, not sure you can make decisions like that. Or - you are a second acc of someone? Who is this then? maybe someone who was blocked because of things like that?
3 - did you check all tens of thousands of translations to make sure they are "correct", whatever you mean by that?

139177539 over 2 years ago

examples of how buildings look like regarding languages, several objects from this changeset:
way/22997307#map=19/60.01381/30.40901 - https://yandex.ru/maps/-/CDQ5rL1f

way/9895912 - https://szgmu.ru/rus/s/272/ - didn't find entrance but website is on Russian and has only english version

way/23030826 - https://yandex.ru/maps/-/CDQ5v4kp (sign in Russian)

node/518492980 - chain of pharmacies, website is in Russian only https://ozerki.ru/sankt-peterburg/. And the same is with all 2703 pharmacies which were "translated" in only this one changeset...

19025044 over 2 years ago

hi, there is very messy and incorrect geometry of the many buildings added from Bing, there were no review of them before adding to a map?

139177539 over 2 years ago

Agree, but as I'm not the one deleting the existing translations but people are basically adding them, it's on them to prove that there is a name in ukrainian on the building. If there is one - sure, add a tag.

But firstly I'd like to notice that this all about a mass mechanical translation effort to tens of thousands places in Moscow, Saint-Petersburg and Belarus. Russia is the country where there is basically only one language in use everywhere, sometiiimes English (source - I'm Russian), changesets with translations have translated hospitals, pharmacies, rivers and lakes (heh), military poligons, roads, factories, even tram parks... to Ukrainian, there is just no name for them in that language in Russia. It's simply doesn't exist... And those changesets added tens of thousands of such translations...

Well, and secondly - as I lived in Saint-Petersburg for more than 10 years, I can assure you that there is no Ukrainian (for that matter any other language apart from Russian and ocassionaly English) signs and language on buildings anywhere, none, apart from couple historical places maybe.. The same situation is in Moscow.

I can find couple of examples from Google pictures regarding some of those buildings and places, to make it completely obvious, but to be fair it's the job of someone who adds such translation to prove that it's there, not others job to prove it otherwise :) And with situation here, it's to be fair quite obvious (for someone who lives/lived in Russia) that there is no names like that enywhere.

Regarding approach, yeah, you are right, it's just so frustrating to revert this all and then it's all cancelled by the empty account without any credibility.

140296500 over 2 years ago

Heh pal, your are again mistaken here saying "vandalism of mass deletion of name:uk tags" when two users who added/returned it were blocked by DWG exactly because adding those ukrainian tags was vandalism, you are probably the same guy and you are not in the right here

And to be honest is just pathetic and sad in a way... seeing this repeating attempts to add those translations which just have just no place there and which was proven by blocks of the previous users. Do you want to prove something? Or at least make some change, even in the platform which is objectively wrong place for such...battles? who knows

139177539 over 2 years ago

thanks for the info, will report

140121883 over 2 years ago

я не делаю правки на территории Украины, только неверные переводы на территории РФ

139977200 over 2 years ago

mulțumim pentru răspuns! punctul dvs. de vedere despre POI este de înțeles, dar care este problema de a nu face puncte de adresă separate dacă clădirea este doar una singură - doar adăugați un număr la proprietățile clădirii și asta e tot? aruncați o privire la centrul orașului Zurich, de exemplu, un oraș obiectiv foarte bine cartografiat (în timp ce în București există atât, atât de multe clădiri care lipsesc cu desăvârșire chiar în centrul orașului, ca să spunem așa), este clar și simplu peste tot. Și pe HereWeGo e același lucru și acolo. Iar în multe dintre orașele în care m-am uitat pe OSM, adresele fie sunt așa, fie sunt la mijlocul clădirii, deci oricum nu vor interfera cu POI.

În plus, răspundeți-mi vă rog - dacă tot vorbiți de *potențiala* interferență cu POI-uri inexistente, uitați-vă aici, doar un exemplu din multele exemple - osm.org/#map=19/44.43758/26.11879 - încerc să navighez către clădirea numărul 8.. sau 20.. sau aproape oricare dintre ele, cum pot să fac asta? Adresele de acest gen au sens pentru dumneavoastră? Nu văd nici măcar un POI care să se încurce în a le pune într-un loc corect...

ENG:
thanks for answering! your point about POI is understandable, but what's the problem of just not making a separate address points if the building is just one - just add a number to the building properties and that's it? take a look at the middle of Zurich for example, objectively very well mapped city (while in Bucharest there are a so, so many buildings which are just completely missing right in the center of the city, just saying), its clear and simple everywhere. And on HereWeGo it's the same thing there. And in a lot of cities I looked on OSM, addresses are either like that, or they are at the middle of the building, so they won't interfere with POI anyway.

Plus, answer me this please - while you saying about *potential* interference with inexistent POI, take a look here, just an one of many examples - osm.org/#map=19/44.43758/26.11879 - I'm trying to navigate to building number 8.. or 20... or almost any of them, how can I do it? Do addresses like this make sense to you? I'm not seeing a single POI to mess with putting them to a correct place...

136995331 over 2 years ago

man... you literally deleted my changesets without any discussion or warning which is kinda not allowed, then for several months ignored my questions where I said that we have the precedent with the green areas in the same city, only answered when I said I'll report you, and now again ignoring my questions and proper attempt to discuss that again and *you* are saying about broken community and probably thinking I'm in the wrong here?

136995331 over 2 years ago

so? any answer?..

108925648 over 2 years ago

got it, thx!

134024575 over 2 years ago

hi, you added a lot of foot paths near the entrance to Veranda Mall, but they are not real foot path are they, its just long wide stairs... maybe we can use area:highway=steps there instead??

19979621 over 2 years ago

hi, are you sure there is a road for the way "256490670"? at least from satellite I don't see anything which resembles it

108925648 over 2 years ago

hi! are you sure there is a path there in this forest? (way/969150596)

and if it's there, its just a path, not foot path I think

98433446 over 2 years ago

hi, thanks for the commit, I wonder, those trees are precisely what "Tree Row" type is made for, there is no much use to map them individually here, are you ok for me to change it to just tree row?

18252881 over 2 years ago

hi!
way/241153678 - is is really the park?
thanks!

30177479 over 2 years ago

maaann, with all respect but it looks horrible, why would you do that? it looks like plague around the city and has zero value, or can someone prove me wrong?

138220376 over 2 years ago

hi, just wanted to ask, as you are a last one changing some of those places - I really think it's completely unreasonable to have such amount of trees in some parks in Bucharest as it is now, like in places like this one - node/3453181155

I really think it's just really unnecessary micromapping, and think we need to just delete all of those strange piles of threes which looks like garbage on render and don't have any value and just put a "managed forest" over them or something like that. What do you think?

30177479 over 2 years ago

is it automated or something like that? trees near Parcul Izvor look like a lot of tree points bundled together randomly, does it carry any value here?

139977200 over 2 years ago

Salut! Vreau doar să fac astfel încât adresele să corespundă clădirii cu această adresă și să nu fie doar pe stradă. Nu voi muta acele adrese unde nu este clar de ce clădire este legată. De asemenea, are sens pentru mine să pun punctul de adresă aproape de partea străzii unde ar trebui să fie intrarea

Am vrut să întreb și eu, de ce adresele sunt pe stradă în fața blocului în multe locuri din București? Nu am mai văzut așa ceva în niciun alt oraș pe care l-am cartografiat. Mulțumiri!