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83715534 over 5 years ago

I've made a few changes, see https://www.mapillary.com/app/?focus=photo&pKey=-cAmRjhSGlVIYsIbZxyAlg&lat=-33.750527777777776&lng=151.23233055555556&z=17&x=0.9297334205115395&y=0.5080898438599728&zoom=0 the building doesn't extend out like you've mapped it, it's just a roof and not part of the building, so I've removed that. Same of the covered footway on the north. Also I've marked the inside part of the building as building:part=yes.

83720017 over 5 years ago

I've also reverted this changset since it removed buildings which were recently constructed and likely the imagery traced here is outdated. See Mapillary imagery for more recent survey.

83720333 over 5 years ago

I've reverted this changeset, area has been undergoing changes and construction and sources may not reflect what's currently on the ground.

83720512 over 5 years ago

I've reverted this changeset, area has been undergoing changes and construction and sources may not reflect what's currently on the ground.

83420219 over 5 years ago

I took a look at the aerial imagery so can see what this one is now, it's like the Kent Street cycleway https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/lkVf4biZTxTfMwb57PxUcg.

These appear to match "cycle tracks" listed at osm.wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_tracks

That section of the wiki says there are two alternatives to map, a single way or separated ways. Both are valid, but where someone has taken the time and effort to map it out separately that shouldn't be removed in my opinion.

osm.wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_features also describes the two approaches and notes the different opinions on which approach to use.

While mapping it out as a separate way can make it harder to link it back to the road segment and hence as you point out some routing engines don't do as good a job, it does make it easier to tag things like the width, surface, traffic calming, turn restrictions as a separate way and more accurate geometry.

Probably best to also take this discussion to talk-au so we can determine a consensus and best approach.

> It's more or less the same reason as to why we don't go around mapping every footpath adjacent to a road as a separate way.

Actually I do map it as a separate way and many others do to this too, it makes for much for accurate representation of what's on the ground, ease of tagging attributes and better routing especially around crossings.

83333432 over 5 years ago

Hi I think this probably should be highway=pedestrian + area=yes ?

83420219 over 5 years ago

If the cycleway is physically separated from the road then it's better to map it as a separate way as highway=cycleway. If you're short on time it can be mapped as cycleway=track but if someone else has mapped as a separate way it should be left. Unless there is no physical separation from the road in which case it should be cycleway=lane. Which is this?

83444563 over 5 years ago

looks like you've accidentally dragged the address node here

83496368 over 5 years ago

Neither is wrong, just different styles, in fact I would say how you had it before is better, but still either way is acceptable.

83222577 over 5 years ago

Sounds good thanks for confirming. There's probably different opinions on what's trail_visibility=no and what's trail_visibility=horrible, for me it's generally no being completely off-track and horrible being some evidence of a path but frequently disappears. I'll trust your best judgement, it's more important to have no/horrible than none at all and someone things it's a well marked out track.

Yeah I saw your edits adding route=canyoning, good to see someone interesting in improving OSM in this aspect.

See also natural=gorge you can use to mark the natural canyon feature (if it's a wet canyon then the tag would be on the same way as waterway=stream). I've done it for a dry canyon at way/732287179

Eventually I start including natural=gorge tags on my maps for beyondtracks.com so would be nice to see more of these tags added.

route=canyoning normally would go on the relation not the way at least following osm.wiki/Proposed_features/Canyoning but I'm not going to complain about it going on the way itself, it's not harmful and can always be converted to a relation later.

I hope you're not copying Tom's maps but instead using your own surveyed data since his maps are copyright, that said he does edit here sometimes, but you'd need to check and make sure he's happy to license it for use by OpenStreetMap.

83222577 over 5 years ago

Hi I see you've added trail_visibility=no, that usually only applies when there is no path at all is that the case here?

47081439 over 5 years ago

reading some forums seems like plenty of people just ignored the sign and ride here anyway, but also looks like it's within the last few years it changed. Either way I've updated it now, but we should try and check some of the other ones you've added here.

47081439 over 5 years ago

The Cowan Track is signposted as walkers only so I've removed your mtb route relation.

82906925 over 5 years ago

Also the Maxar Premium/Standard imagery appear to have the newly constructed roads like the ESRI Satellite. The Maxar Bushfire imagery has them partly constructed, so agree there is enough here to map out the bridges in construction.

82722116 over 5 years ago

I didn't hear back from you so I've reverted this change since I can't confirm from street level imagery or other sources, please write back if I'm wrong.

82819013 over 5 years ago

same thing here, I've reinstated the dropped tags in changeset/82873200

82821653 over 5 years ago

hi there were a few tags you missed when converting the node to a way so I've added them back in now in changeset/82873099

61246264 almost 6 years ago

reverted in changeset/82767731

61246264 almost 6 years ago

I know this is a year old, but per level=* the level tag is used to mark levels of a building, not as a generic layer sorting (that's osm.wiki/Tag:layer=) or to indicate over/under ground (that's osm.wiki/Tag:location=).

Regardless it looks like in this changeset you've done a select all in JOSM and applied the level=-1 tag. That resulted in every node also getting level=-1 which isn't needed, even if this was indicating layer sorting.

With that in mind I'll revert these changes, but please do post back with what the intention was and if there's still an issue.

82676226 almost 6 years ago

I've reinstated the name tag in changeset/82767616