After taking a closer look, this road was already accurate before this changeset, since it was tagged with change:forward=no or change:lanes:forward=yes|not_right|no. As such, I've had to revert this changeset. I retained your classification change (motorway_link -> motorway) since that looks reasonable.

Hi,

Generally speaking, paint alone doesn't warrant the use of a second way. Usually a physical barrier is required for this. If there's only paint but there is a turn restriction, this should most likely be mapped as a single way with a turn restriction relation.

Hi,

It looks like you deleted three good tags from this relation. Can you elaborate about why you did this?
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If you disagree with this, please comment here before resorting to reverting. Though I have driven the road before, I am not a local, so I am happy to listen to local input here.

Hi,

Looks like you added water=stream to the southernmost bit of the Croton River. waterway=stream is defined as "a naturally-formed waterway which is narrow enough that an active, able-bodied adult can jump across it", which is definitely not the case for the Croton River. Thus, I'll change the tag to the more appropriate water=river.

Hi,

Thanks for contributing. Unfortunately I've had to revert this classification change, as NY-201 doesn't quite meet the standard for "motorway" under the current NYS classification guidelines. You can read more about them here: osm.wiki/TMP-Proposal:_New_York/Highway_Classification

In short, motorway is used for not only the highest performance roads, but for roads that are both controlled-access and the highest level of importance. Route 17 is a good example here; NY-201 might be controlled-access, but it's definitely not as important as Route 17. To tag a road that is limited or controlled access, but isn't important enough to be a motorway, you can use highway=primary+expressway=yes.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best,
John

Thanks for responding so quickly. When you say "the designated name from the county", where exactly are you getting this data from? I checked on Bing Streetside for part of this road (from the state line to Great Bend), and I couldn't see any street signs for the road. By the "on the ground" rule, I would say there should be no `name` tag at all for this section.

Hi,

I know this is late, but you added `name=State Route 11` to US-11, which is a US route, not a state route. It could be argued that it shouldn't have a `name` tag at all, since the route number is already in `ref`, but it definitely shouldn't be named "State Route" anything. I see you also did the same for "State Route 6&11". Please let me know if you want to fix them, otherwise I'll do it.

Hi,

I know I'm noticing this very late, but it looks like you changed the westbound Tappan Zee from toll=no to toll=yes. For all the Hudson River crossings (at least in the NYC metro area), you only pay when crossing in the eastbound direction.

I neglected to also include Bing Aerial in the source. NYS Orthos usually is taken when there's no leaves on the trees, while Bing is the reverse. Thus, it's useful to use both at once for this sort of thing.

Hi,

unsigned= is not a valid tag; unsigned_ref should be used instead.

Hi,

It looks like you added ref to the NJ-76C relation. This is not appropriate as it is an unsigned route, and already had unsigned_ref. I'll fix this one, but please do not do this in the future.

Hi,

Thanks for contributing. Please try to break your edits up into multiple changesets when changing geographic areas. Otherwise, it can make it more difficult for people to review it.

Hi,

Thanks for the contribution. In the future, please do not make up names for trails. If there are no signs that give a name for the trail, you should leave the name blank on OSM.

Hi,

Thanks for getting back so quickly. Just by looking at the map (I don't drive around here very often), I could see an argument for the road being trunk between the Meadowbrook and the Bethpage, since it potentially could offer a good connecting route between a number of motorways.

What I'm really trying to go after is roads that break this rule of the classification guidance:

The set of roads tagged highway=motorway or highway=trunk should collectively form a coherent network of interconnected roads, without dangling spurs or "islands" of disconnected roads.

So in this case, the western end of any potential trunk section should be the Meadowbrook, rather than the point where the road becomes divided. Generally speaking though, the "islands" (a trunk segment that never connects to a trunk or motorway) should basically always be avoided. A spur (a segment that begins at a trunk/motorway and never connects to another one) is sometimes justified (e.g. Nicolls Road, William Floyd Parkway), but they should be chosen carefully. In those two cases, there isn't really much farther to go before you hit the shore, so it makes sense.

I appreciate your work and your insights on the map, and I invite you to join the OSMUS Slack, so your voice can be heard in the community. We want to reach a consensus, rather than have people reverting each other's edits. If you decide to join, come join #local-newyorkstate and #highway-classification, where these topics are often discussed.

Thanks,
John

Hi,

Thank you for the contribution. In the future, please do not use the tag access=no in these situations. bicycle=no and foot=no is sufficient, and access=no can be interpreted as "no one, not even cars can go here".

Hi,

I see that you set highway=trunk on Woodside Ave here, presumably because it is limited access. expressway=yes is the right tag here, since the road is no more important in the network than the primary roads it connects to on each side.

Please see the following pages for more details:
osm.wiki/United_States/2021_Highway_Classification_Guidance
osm.wiki/TMP-Proposal:_New_York/Highway_Classification

Best,
John

Hi,

It looks like you're marking roads as trunk simply because they're divided. Can you confirm that this is the case?

Physical characteristics should have no impact on the classification of a road, except for motorways. If a road is not quite a motorway, but is still very upgraded, it might deserve expressway=yes, but not necessarily highway=trunk. If the road is divided but still has a lot of access (e.g. driveways into shopping areas), it probably doesn't deserve expressway=yes either. You may however tag these as dual_carriageway=yes to mark this feature.

For more information on road classification tagging, please consult these pages:
osm.wiki/United_States/2021_Highway_Classification_Guidance
osm.wiki/TMP-Proposal:_New_York/Highway_Classification

Please let me know if you have any questions, and I'll be happy to help as best I can.

Best,
John

Hi,

Unfortunately I've had to revert the classification changes in this changeset because they go against the current state classification guidelines. I've left the motorway junctions that you added though, since I don't know of any consensus on whether turn-arounds should get that tag.

In New York State, classifications are mostly based on the ACC codes provided by the NYSDOT. For more details, please see this page: osm.wiki/TMP-Proposal:_New_York/Highway_Classification

Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have question or comments.

Best,
John

Hi,

Unfortunately I've had to revert your last several edits because they go against the current state classification guidelines.

Since 2021, there has been a push to reserve motorway and trunk for the most important roads, regardless of how many lanes they have, whether they are a freeway or not, etc. For example, NY-384 through downtown Niagara Falls is trunk even though it's a surface street, since it's the best route to use to go over the Rainbow Bridge and get to Canada. In contrast, the LaSalle Expressway and Niagara Scenic Parkway are not important long-haul routes, and would be classified as primary with expressway=yes to denote their upgraded construction.

In New York State, classifications are mostly based on the ACC codes provided by the NYSDOT. For more details, please see this page: osm.wiki/TMP-Proposal:_New_York/Highway_Classification

Again, I'm sorry to have to revert your work. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have questions or comments.

Best,
John