Hi, While you give a Lat/Lon location .. for accuracy you do not give a datum of the measurement .. So these could have differences of upto 100 yards. More practically .. there are 3 buildings just south of the road near that location .. 2 of them to the east look to be greenhouses, the other one looks to be a building with an addition of a green house to the eastern side of the building.

I have assumed that single building with the extension of the greenhouse is the one you would like tagged? I have tagged that building with the name and address (using East Commerce Road not Street).. but it should also be tagged as a shop? tag shop=plants might be suitable?

Oh.. on the JOSM presets .. only follow things that people have complained about on their pages. Some of the things implemented are not ‘good’. Some of the things not implemented demonstrate how out of touch the presets are.

For past use use taginfo ..

e.g for builders https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=builder#values

So .. you have a choice .. craft, office or shop. What do you think fits best? Then use that. If nothing fits then think of something that does … use it .. and if you think it is ‘good’ document it on the OSM wiki.

Good Luck.

The LPI base map should have the road names and addresses on it, and as it is ‘approved’ for use in OSM you can use that to enter the data. The LPI Imagery too is very good - having much better resolution than the other imagery that is available, so you can use that for building outlines, tracks. These should be available with ID.

Always best to start with a place you know well. I also map areas where I am going on holiday - that way I have a better map and more knowledge of the are before I go. Ant then once I return I can map those things I missed from the remote mapping. Have fun.

Copying a paper map style .. makes it easy for those familiar with that style. But as you point out the styles are country specific .. so not that advantageous for a world wide map. But using the basic ideas of colour, line widths, symbols where these are uniform across a wide source of these paper maps is a good idea - these would be well evolved and widely recognized.

Colour; There is a fair proportion of the population that have difficulty distinguishing colours. Low contrast colours are harder to distinguish between each other. Line widths; Thin lines are hard to see, especially at a quick glance or in bright sun. Symbols; These are fairly ‘standard’ now .. it is only copyright issues that annoy.

Evolution; Paper maps have evolved over time … probably as good as they are going to get now, Electronic maps are still evolving - so there will be divergence at present while different ideas are tired.

I have all the maps types/makes you mention .. plus Australian ‘Natmaps’, ‘Geoscience maps’ (both govt.. form the same department with name changes by politicians), Westprint maps, Hemma maps and probably more that I cannot remember now. They all have different styles. But the basics are very similar - small colour range so easy to distinguish each colour, minimum and maximum line widths - so you can see them easily and they don’t dominate too much.

I use it for bicycle and pedestrian navigation… where I like the rendering of things I can use.

The redraw speed will probably depend on your phone operating speed…

To guard against PC failure I run 2, one laptop and a desktop. The laptop walked windows 7 .. I have recently ‘updated’ (or ‘crossgraded’) to windows 10… I refuse to call it an ‘upgrade’! umm I am thinking of debian… I don’t use bluetooth, Wifi is essential though. There is a fair amount of ware on the keys, headphone socket broken, some small bits of plastic distorted around USB sockets… just ware and tare. I may replace it .. it is one of those Aldi ones… I may well wait untill it dies or at least starts to hicup.

The (older) desktop walks windows XT and that won’t be replaced untill it fails (or a lot more years have passed). It is mostly isolated from the network .. occasional updates of software are about it. data can come via the laptop and a USB stick.

Both look healthy at the moment. I use the laptop fairly intensely, the desktop is used for stuff that takes time and has two good screens set up on it. When you have the funds/inclination it may be a good idea to get a second PC as backup? For backup of data I have two 2T external drives.. they are getting full. And, of course cloud storage - some of it open to family. I will wait for the next ‘sales’ to get more local backup disks.

Amount of information;

In part the problem comes from a fixed rule set applied everywhere - in some places those rules work well, usually in places with lots and lots of information. In other places with little information there is a blank map using these same rules! Possibly the rule set need to ‘look at’ the number of nodes rendered over a given area .. and adjust the number of nodes to give at last some information.

Importance of information;

For cities/towns/villages the easiest way to judge their ‘importance’ is to use the population. As an example I have come across tagged ‘towns’ with populations of 0! Yes they are ‘towns’ as determined by the government … but they are not ‘towns’ to me or other map users. Of course different map users will have different ideas of what is important, a boat user will want waterways, a sports car driver will want paved highways and a 4WD will want unpaved roads and tracks.

Photos are so much better than written notes - they don’t miss spell, miss things and include unobserved things. And they are much quicker than my writing. Assistance from others .. I tend to avoid it as I spend more time explaining than gaining information. So I gather what I can and get on to the next thing. As for flat numbers .. no I don’t bother … as there is far too much other stuff, that I regard as more usefull to more people, to do. e.g. misstagged ‘towns’ with populations of 0!

Touch football … popular in Australia, similar to rugby without the tracking/scrums, no goal posts and half the size of a regular rugby pitch. Humm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touch_football - so varies by nationality! Demonstrates why it is important to do a osmwiki page write up. May have to do an extension touch_football_aus touch_football_rugby touch_football_usa Humm … may be better to tag sport=rugby rugby=touch, sport=american_football american_football=touch ?

The tag ‘sport=multi’ does not tell what sports are played there … better to use ‘sport=american_football;baseball’ (as an example) as that tells what actual sports are played there…. better again to have those separated up into overlapping pitches - each pitch with its individual sport tag as that tell how many pitches are for what sports and how they are orientated. way/117318615#map=19/-33.74881/151.10267 shows overlapping pitches of two different sports.

Some. It does make sense to have these for cash strapped schools!

*If there is good imagery;

I mark each pitch area and tag each separately. Netball courts are longer than basketball courts, while tennis courts reside inside both - I only mark the ‘pitch’ area .. not the bigger ‘play’; area. For tennis + netball way/117318615#map=19/-33.74881/151.10267 Cannot find the basketball, netball, tennis ones at the moment.

*If the imagery is not great; I mark the larger pitch area and tag sport=netball;basketball;tennis …. For some I can separate out the tennis court.

Unfortunately I am missing out on what I think are ‘hand ball’ courts - marked as 4 rectangles on a paved area. I should just tag them “leisure=pitch, fixme=sport=handball?” but I have been ignoring them!

Getting unpaid volunteers (who actual are paying to contribute e.g. their time) to do something that is against their inclination is extremely difficult. It may be better to act like a tree and bend with the wind rather than try and stand against it?

OSM has to accept that in some parts of the world vehicles are driven on the left side of the road, where as in others they are driven on the right. Perhaps OSM needs ‘local’ definitions for some tags … A Russian ‘hanger’ could be tagged building:ru=hanger much as OSM has for names? And I believe the type of building you refer to is a ‘Nissen Hut’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissen_hut just at add an British flavor to the names :)

Fuel. In some parts of Australia ‘Opal Fuel’ is sold … not ‘regular’ fuel… this is an attempt to stop the young sniffing fuel to get high… leads to brain damage. The RON/etc is the same but visitors get told all sorts of things about Opal Fuel being bad … never seen any real evidence of harm.. and I have used the stuff. I have also used ‘avgas’ (aviation fuel 100) for much the same reason .. again no harm to the engine (lot more lead out the exhaust … but there are very few people out there to suffer from it).

Supermarkets? These too are locally influenced. A super market in Switzerland has lots of chocolate, in France wine. An ‘outback store’ in Australia has kangaroo tails, flour comes in 20 kg bags and the bread is in the freezer. One of the joys of travel is experiencing this stuff.

Enjoy the differences and adapt to them?

Well the vast majority of LPI Base map road names are now in the OSM data base, say 95%+. There are a few country lesser roads to be done. Of course there are those roads that are not named in the LPI data base .. they may not have names at all. I usally add a note tag to these to avoid looking at them again with the LPI data.

I’ll target the remaining country roads later, once I have regained my enthusiasm for the task.

So…that is the vast majority of NSW roads named.

I do like that people are looking after their own area. Neighborhood watch’ type of thing. And the fact that they are not afraid to approach you and voice their concerns is great! Much better than calling the local Police out. Always usefull to think about their view - some strange person wandering out the front of their place taking photos could be a concern. Class? Well some might take that view, I think it is more a perception of rights, protection and privacy.

Oh.. forgotten …

In Australia fires occur that can remove tree cover (leaves and small branches). The area then usually revegetates (eg new leaves etc on the old tree). As that is ‘temporary’ I’d not map it. Some of these fires are ‘natural’ - started by lightening. Past practice by the Aboriginals was to make regular low level fires (say less than 1 m height) .. this removed rubbish scrub, encouraging new growth that attracts animal (for hunting) and makes walking through the country easier. They would burn a patch of land this year, a different patch next year. There are attempts to continue this practice .. unfortunately the desire is not matched by the commitment of resources - large areas are not burn off as regularly as they should.

My view;

‘natural=wood’ … trees here. They may be grafted, plated by humans .. etc etc. In other words they are not necessarily ‘natural’ but include artificial, non native … pretty well anything tree. I do think the key word ‘natural’ is a very poor choice .. and should be split into two keys - landcover and landform. For ‘natural=wood’ I read ‘landcover=trees’.

‘landuse=forest’ An area used to harvest tree products … includes lumber, wood pulp, oils (eucalyptus, tea tree etc), rubber, maple syrup. The thing here is ‘land use’ .. the land is used to produce something … in this case a forest. Most of the time it will have trees, some of the time it may have harvesting operations, bare ground, seedlings.

Which OSM-Garmin map did you get? There are a few of them!

Addresses … I’d estimate over 80% coverage for road names in NSW following LPI data release to OSM. However some city/suburb names are not correct!
You will need to look at what is missing - city name/area or road name. Then find the information - in a non copyright form that can be used in OSM. Do no use copyright data! Then enter it correctly.

Your talking landuse. A landuse=forest does not mean the area is always covered in trees .. for some of the time an area maybe harvested - trees cut down for processing into lumber, paper etc. I would expect the same can be implied for landuse=reservoir.

Because something is ‘depreciated’, ‘rejected’ or even ‘abandoned’ does not stop it from being used. Yesterday I used the tags “sport=cricket_nets” and “temperature=” for example. I’ll keep on doing that … untill there is something better to use, or possibly these tags are ‘recognized’. Another approach is dual tagging as existed for swimming pols where both leisure and amenity were used .. and both still exist in the database.

One problem is the key ‘natural’ … it is now taken in OSM as being for both ‘natural’ (dictionary definition) and ‘unnatural’ (dictionary definition).

In an ideal world .. I would see the key ‘natural’ split into two keys - ‘landcover’ and ‘landform’ (I am not fixed on the names .. but the intention).

landcover=liquid would be suitable .. as you cannot determine what kind of liquid from a satellite view. If the type of liquid is known then a sub key can be used .. liquid=water, sewage, etc.