Have he stated mapping yet?

Perhaps another one with more and smaller triangles would be a challenge. Certainly smaller triangles would lead to a more rigid structure. However the present one is a good trade off between work and result. The problem with glue would need experimentation with some offcuts first. Probably a specific local glue will be needed for each paper type used.

NSW Australia had a map released about 1 year ago. That has been used to enter street names for streets already in OSM (took about 3 months), then to enter boundaries (new and old) for National Parks, State Forests, councils and river and creeks. I have been busy with firstly the missing street names, then the state forests and a few national parks, followed by camp sites, tourist information centers, post offices, waterfalls, some selected creeks and rivers. It takes some time to do all of that .. and not all by me either! So I am now looking at the missing roads - mainly within State Forests, access ones to ‘my’ waterfalls, some National Parks. Of course the data entry is not perfect, I have found a few of my ‘errors’ and corrected them for the most part. I have found a few others too and corrected them. Road names have been tricky - entered from the road name at one end .. only to find the other end has a different name. Some boundaries have been combined with rivers .. when they are actually separate. Some creeks don’t flow into another water course. One creek flows from both ends towards the middle. So some detected ‘errors’ are not errors.

That map has been very helpfull particularly in wooded areas where satellite views don’t help. It will be helpfull for house numbers too as those are shown on the map too .. but there is a lot to do with it yet.

My definition of “English rain’ ; so light that it sits in the air and lets you walk into to it. I do prefer tropical rain; thrown down at maximum velocity and all at once. Gets it over and done with.

Australian for ‘khazis’; dunny. { shortened form of dunnakin, from dannaken, danna = dung + ken = place} Usually with the back lane for the ‘night soil man’ weekly visits.

I am still finding roads and tracks to put on the map. So homes are a long way down my list of things to do.

Arr .. found my comment for showground under recreation_ground talk … “A ‘showground’ can be tagged landuse=recreation_ground with recreation_ground=showground”

Cannot say I stick by what I said, but there you are.

Nice!

In country areas of Australia showgrounds get used for sports (cricket, football), camping as well as annual shows - not all at the same time. I do map the camping and sports parts as those are well documented in OSM. But annual shows (sometimes there are more than one - usually of different focus) are not something OSM handles well. To me landuse=recreation covers shows, camping and sports so I tend to use that.

Hi, There are some other tools you can look at; ‘keepright’ lots of things to pick on …http://keepright.at/ osmoses .. you can select all the ‘errors’ it thinks you created http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/ -select top bar thingy ‘Issues by user’.

Once you have ‘your’ errors fixed (or at least your happy with the left over ‘errors) you can look at other ‘errors’ by others .. I usually only do those that match my knowledge/interest. I call it ‘housekeeping’ … a never ending job.

I would think that places without hydrants would be rural - places without much infrastructure to protect. Typically hydrants are installed along with the mains water supply, if you have mains water you get hydrants.

If ‘they’ are that worried then they would not have markers at all!

Public phone boxes, post boxes and toilets would be subject to far more vandalism than fire hydrants.

I think it just that ‘they’ cannot see it being usefull to ‘them’ (office workers I would think).

The actual fire fighters would probably like to have them mapped so they can find them with more ease. Around here they are marked with a yellow ‘H’ painted on the road, one extent of the ‘H” is extended into an arrow that points to the hydrant. In addition a blue catseye is placed in the center of the road. In addition to fire hydrants there is a desire for ‘static water supply’ to be marked SWS, usually near the letter box. These are usually swimming pools, where several hydrants are in use the water supply can drop .. so a static water supply can be very usefull when demand is high e.g. where the fire front is some miles wide. Usually where the fire front gets big the fire fighters need to be supplemented by additional fighters drawn in from surrounding areas - sometimes 1,000 of miles away … even internationally. An accurate map may be very usefull for them as they would have no local knowledge.

This http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/23532/Bush-Fire-Bulletin-LIFTOUT-HydrantMarkers.pdf shows some examples of the local hydrant markers. I have not seen any of the primary or secondary hydrant markers for quite some time though I have not been looking for them. I do see the SWS markers and the yellow H and blue catseyes.

Not true. You can classify a road to whatever … where it is does not matter. It is the usefulness/function of the road that should determine its classification. A road going through a remote area can be primary … if it connects lager towns. A town in the center of a remote area could well have a road or two that are classified as primary .

As a guide … roads that are above the classification ‘unclassified’ in remote areas should be checked for correct tagging. But they can and do exist.

An example city in a remote area? .. node/29341070#map=8/-23.698/133.881

Err that would be ‘unexploded ordinance’. :)

I presently know of 2 cases where in each case there is only one gate and on both sides roads that get to publicly accessible places. Only on one side of the gate is access supposedly private. Where the access restriction ceases is not clear to me, though I would assume it ceases where the way intersects with other ways. In these case the access needs to be on the way, not on the node. Most land parcels would provide public assess on at least one way .. if only to allow visitor and emergency services access. So I would think a land parcel would only have access restrictions in exceptional circumstances .. like a bombing range where exploded ordnance could be encountered (no would want to go there).

Cost? Put it to them that they and their customers will have access to a free map of their post boxes if they provide the data (free). If they were to provide the same service it would cost them.

Are the post offices mapped? Then they could use OSM instead of Google … and have their post boxes on it too.

Not my error/s. You want something for nothing? Ok, stop using OSM. You want to use OSM and have it improved? Then start your improvements by fixing the error/s you observe.

You’ll simply attract abuse by threatening in a first approach, particularly in an organization where most people are giving their own time for free.

If they don’t know where they are .. how can they be sure they are being cleared?

They may not have a map.. but they will have a list … probably by street address. Might be possible to have that released - copyright free?

I have a ‘local road’ with concrete sections. The concrete is there to stop erosion when the creek floods or, on the hills, when it rains hard .. and the concrete has a very rough surface. So even the surface=concrete does not tell the complete story. So the surface tag is only one consideration.

Some unpaved roads can be used by sports cars at speed - smooth and hard surface. Some unpaved roads are not usable by some 4WD vehicles - the alloy diff housings break on rocks.

A ‘light coloured’ road can be either concrete or white sand.
A grey road can be either loose gravel or asphalt.

You cannot beat local knowledge and experience. A map helps for planing .. but you do need that local knowledge, especially for most disasters and these effect what were ‘good’ roads.

There is a perception that anyone who maps using different method from ‘me’ is doing wrong.

Terms such as ‘mechanical edit’, ‘automated import’ etc are meant by some as derogatory. Criticizing someones edits based on their method is destructive. Criticize on the content, not the method! That is the only thing that truly matters.

Methods will develop over time … don’t limit OSM input by placing unrealistic restrictions on methods used .. look at the content.

Methods! I think my best mapping is where I can mix the sources of the mapping from independent sources. My worst mapping is where I use one source. A gpx track might get imported .. but it may have some diversions .. stopping off the road for some shops, photos etc … I do come across these from time to time, easy to correct from imagery.

The requirement for ‘keeping upto date’ … well that happens where ‘someone’ notices it and takes action. If it does not get noticed … shows that information is not used. If noticed but not corrected .. the information is not valued. Only where the information is both noticed and corrected is it of value. I have had one of my edits noticed as out of date - comment placed on the node, but no attempt to correct nor notify me .. so it was not correct untill I happened on it. Out back road in Australia get maintained by grader drivers - they are dirt. If the grader driver thinks the road would be better off ‘over there’ then he puts it ‘over there’! Thus the map can be out of date very easily. Of course the road will still connect things, so the map will be usable. One commercial map maker has a number of 4WDs that continuously cross the country to monitor tracks and poi for changes (HEMMA .. they do good maps). Even so there maps are not ‘upto date’ all the time. Things change! The map will only be ‘upto date’ when the information is entered. Any time after that and it can be ‘out of date’. The expectation that the map MUST be upto date is unrealistic. It should be a reasonable representation for what was there … if there was a fuel supply at some place and it has gone.. there should be another fuel supply at some location close by. It is only where these features are a) vital and b) remote from similar thing that any map should be ‘upto date’. Only then is the requirement of being ‘upto date’ in any way important. Usually these kind of problems are provided by word of mouth at locations around the demise of the feature, people realize that maps in use may not have the current situation on them!

While that may clear a path to the front, it does not clear the tailgaters.

Much better are rocket propelled devices - that have a vent to the rear - so they shoot flame to the rear - clearing tailgaters and have no recoil reaction. I have seen a video of one mounted to a Russian sidecar. Think the Germans have some gas turbine engine tanks - the exhaust fume temperature is sufficient to burn paint off closely following cars.

It does provide some passive protection to side entry. I have had a report of an encounter between a tracked vehicle and a Jaguar car that proceeded through a red light .. the passenger part of the car was intact.. but the engine bay had been crushed by the tracked vehicle. And yes the car driver was booked for going through the red light, though I think the damage to the car would be a sufficient deterrent, the booking may have provided legal evidence of fault for damage claim. The tracked vehicle though appeared to have little damage - proceeded on its way.

Wow!

The church authorities who have forced these people out of their home should be ashamed of themselves. I would hope that the local papers would have covered the story. And that the local parishioners are aware of the churches action.

Reminds me of the window tax.

Hi, Putting on my ‘devils advocate’ hat … some counter points.

There are ‘regional expectations’ for almost all tags.

I would expect different things in a ‘supermarket’ in Switzerland, France, Africa, Australia, USA … I would expect for example more chocolates in the Swiss one, more wine in the French one. The bread in an outback Australian supermarket will be in the freezer to keep it fresh.

A ‘secondary highway’ in Europe would be paved with a high standard of finish and run off… in Australia, Africa a lesser standard is the norm.

A ‘building=farm’ has very different expectations even in the one country! These are typically called ‘homesteads’ in Australia and remote ones are very large as in huge! They cater for being a center point for entertainment of large areas - the nearest neighbor may be 400 kms drive away so ‘having the neighbors over for dinner’ is a major undertaking.

There are also regional defaults for things like speed restrictions.

Could this be the start of a more detailed tagging under healthcare=midwife? And then, later, regional defaults for these sub tags?

Placing a complex, all in one, every aspect covered tagging proposal most of the time leads to it being voted down by those who object to one single small aspect of the total, each objecting to a different aspect, none of them agreeing on a solution. I think that leaving it vacant leads to things like the ‘sale’ tag being used on the shop=motorcycle .. rather than a ‘sells’ tag for all shops …