Verdy_p's Comments
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| 24845129 | almost 6 years ago | This is not superfluous, and you give an example modified recently for another purpose in France by another editor; These names are not so easy to derive from relations, in fact what is given is the fact it is an international boundary (at admin level 2) and the two countries are named consistantly (there's no need to give names for higher levels: Länder/régions, départements, arrondissements/(Land)kreise, municipalities... because they are obviously part of the lower level).
There's no general rule to derive local names from multiple global names set in a parent relation, you cannot infer that easily and the same is true for other inference in the reverse direction from local to more global (espacially for countries where there are many exceptions with shared or disputed areas and different "official legal" sources with different level of precision (and lack of official conflation between their definitions). |
| 24845129 | almost 6 years ago | As well, relations for countries are not exactly divisions: they overlap in some cases (for disputed areas). Identifying these overlaps is not evident (including the overlap between Luxembourg and Germany along the Moselle River, by a condominium, but German districts including parts of the condominium !) |
| 24845129 | almost 6 years ago | Final note: we absolutelty need the names for rivers, espacially those on international borders, because their official name change or depend on the side (the same is true for street names). You cannot take the names from their parent waterway or street relations: the relation name is not rendered locally on map but used only when searching a full river or street by one of its local names. International boundaries require specific tagging to limit damages by unaware contributers that forget to manage relations on the other side, and ways international borders are used in many relations that are frequently broken and can be difficult to restore. The names make things more obvious for those that want to split/jpoin these ways (and are warned they could break the relations), and for those that will repair them without ambiguity. It takes time to search and identify what belongs to were and it is much longer to repair than to break these in a single click. |
| 24845129 | almost 6 years ago | 1. Rivers are named (Le Rhin, La Lauter, La Vielle Lauter, La Moselle) and dual named in tow languages when they are on the border. This is usual. 2. International borders are also named for visibility and clear distinction in the editor, even if these names are not rendered. This also helps mixing different tagging systems between countries and avoid confusion in editors. These names are not necessarily translated in many languages, jsut a few for interest of editors in local languages or reviewers. Note: this changeset was more than 5 years ago ! It was needed at that time because there were mixes of boundaries by confusing borders for different countries (they first were broken creating a hole, and then the wronf borders were selected to "fix" the hole incorrectly, with that confusion!)... Another proof that these names are needed for editors even, if they are not rendered. |
| 80768102 | almost 6 years ago | note: the SHOM 2019 is more precise that the previous import of EUROSION, which was very fuzzy, and incorrect (it used data in ED50, but this old import forgot to convert it to WGS84, and this data is outdated and had poor resolution and many approximations).
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| 80768102 | almost 6 years ago | Anyway, there should be no ambiguity for the 4-letter script code using a capital initial, when it follows a 2-letter or 3-letter main language code and a dash. Looking into the database, both spelling have been used, but this does not change the meaning for BCP 47. Both are recognized. I've not seen a consistant use everywhere, I can apply the capital letter here if you want, this does not change the meaning and should not impact the use; yes it would be better to uniformize this, but some applications recognizes language tags only when they are in lowercase (because uppercase is used for something else, like country tags or other OSM suffixes added to the "name=*" tag (like ":left" or ":right" used for example for naming segments of streets or rivers forming a border of two distinct cities/regions/countries possibly using different languages or using completely unrelated names for streets). |
| 80768102 | almost 6 years ago | the keys in lowercase are OK for the validator in JOSM. This is not true when using the capitalized first letter for the script code.
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| 80105029 | almost 6 years ago | So I have to search manually in lot of objects in many changesets... There must be one way at least that appears (I searched with Whodidit, many changesets are not visible there, possibly a database problem not revealing them, with too many edits at that period or in an unprocessed large diff; I note that the databse has some lags) |
| 80105029 | almost 6 years ago | There's been lot of modifs from various users here. with some deletions. Because I have splitted the closed way to merge the existing unclosed claimed boundaries, several were deleted. But I can't even see those that were deleted (because of duplication after merge) even by me. Has there been a redaction process that hides some edits?
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| 80105029 | almost 6 years ago | To be precise, what was before was not a "relation", but a closed way iwith these tags, that was drawn over existing boundaries and causing geometric problems that were left, possibly after your partial revert.
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| 80156401 | almost 6 years ago | why did you move nodes ?
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| 80156401 | almost 6 years ago | Also I had not changed the positions of nodes of any related claim. Like what you did just there (possibly to restore them from cadastral sources from both countries. |
| 80156401 | almost 6 years ago | Note that I did NOT create it, it was already thre and causing conflicts and geometry errors locally for an unrelated edit.
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| 80105029 | almost 6 years ago | This was made by changeset/50859732 |
| 80105029 | almost 6 years ago | So I've not invented anything. Complain to the other user that created it first. |
| 80105029 | almost 6 years ago | I kept it by removing duplicated overstroke ways and moving them to a relation with the same tags (admin_level=2 and boundary=adminitrative, and its existing names and wiki links, that are unchanged).
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| 80105029 | almost 6 years ago | I have NOT created it, it was already there as a polygon (single closed way) where I merged its touching ways, and had *already* these tags.
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| 80105029 | almost 6 years ago | it was *already* with admin_level 2 (as a single polygon redrawn over the existing boundaries... It was then still already like a "country", it already had a tag "disputed". The admin_level to give to this is not clear, the condominium at level 6 is not even better and even more wrong because it is an mutual agreement between countries and not subject to the local regulations, and admin_levels between Luxembourg and Germany do not match (so it should also be at admin_level 2, certainly not 6 and not any level > 2).
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| 80105029 | almost 6 years ago | The purpose of this edit was to change a polygon into a relation, so they qhare the same border ways, and allow easy addition or removal of these areas without creationg gaps, depending on intended use if someoneone doesn't want these overlaps that may be listed separately. |
| 80105029 | almost 6 years ago | Note that if you want to list countries only, you just need to exclude those areas with disputed=yes; but the countries will still overlap in those areas. |