Verdy_p's Comments
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| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | STOP STOP STOP!
STOP THIS HARASSMENT WAR ! I absolutely don't have to ackowledge your different opinion, keep your opinion and I keep mine, but NO there has been NO demonstrated error at all. You have repe"atedly refuisedf to acknowledge the fact that I ha |
| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | When I do make errors, I recognize them immediately, and correct fast. But you've not conveinced me that there was an error, so it is an unfruitful discussion. Nothing wxas decided, but you want absolutely from me that I reply to you that I was worng or made an "error" or that I'm "wrong"'. This is going nowhere ! You have an opinion, I have mine, you have absolutely NO right to force me to accept yours. We exposed our arguments , we just disagree, that's all.
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| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | "Map what is on the ground" is not applicable. There's no such tyhing on the ground. So these names can ONLY be descriptive and should be made accurately so that it it is still distinct from what would be really on the ground...
You're continuing to repeat yourself, you are truing to force to accept an argument that you have NEVER justified validly. I gave my reasons and they are valid and this does not contradict any past decision or common practices. You just fight for a principle that I respect, but that is not even applicable here. And systematic principles in mapping are always wrong ! Maps are full of exceptions everywhere, you should know that, otherwise you should not use OSM at all! |
| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | for your most recent reply: you continue making personal attacks. and asserting false things about what I do or think.
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| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | You're inventing interpretations.
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| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | This was documented since long first in Germany osm.wiki/DE:Relation:land_area
All this changeset was not about changing these names but disambiguate and fix other tags and relation members, because they were confused and this caused severe rendering and usage problems on conflicting boundary relations with the same attributes where the attroibutes should have been clearly different. After I made it, the map here looks finally OK and shows all admin borders (before there were "holes" everywhere caused by conflicts between confused relations. That job is done, all fixes are now OK, geocoding now works properly. And I don't understand why you criticize that only on a minor detail (non mandatory names for these relations, just used as very useful hints for contributors to avoid they make new confusion later or break existing relations) |
| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | Only because I'm above average users, just means there is a higher chance of friction occuring with just a few (like you do) for things that are in fact not even a problem or just because of personal opinions. Landmasses could even have no name it all (they are never needed for rendering), but since they were used to disabmiguate things more easily only in editors and tools, a choice was made by others (since long) to use this disambiguation is a way that is immediately usable in editors and QA tools. These names don"t even need to be translated, they or only there as helpers for contributors editing the map and that's fine. |
| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | "lot of people is your interpretation" actually this is very small to the number of thank you I receive directly.
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| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | Why is it only you that inists on what is not an issue at all ? Stop this harassment. |
| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | The incorrect tags (notably using type=boundary and boundary=administrative) or references caused also severe rendering problems for the international borders or some regional borders: they were discontinuous because queries for borders retrieved two unrelated relations, and renderers tend to eliminate ways that are selected twice: these borders were NOT rendered at all.
These bugs were NOT caused by names of landmasses but the fact that landmasses were incorrectly tagged as boundaries. Confusion between relations will continue to happen again as long as editors are not changed to display relation types (at least): landmasses are NOT tagged with boundary=administrative, or type=boundary. It is what I fixed, individually, area by area. And this was absolutely NOT an automated edit but individual fixes to solve existing problems that would have not exited at all if names were more accurate and not so confusing. I repeat: "Jersey (land mass)" is NOT "Jersey". (I can say it for other cases, this is of course an example, I did not invent it, this naming scheme was used since long and not invented by me, I have respected the existing conventions that worked everywhere else and did not cause any problem except for you). |
| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | In summary: I did not use any incorrect tags, I fixed them to remove duplicates or incorrect references between unrelated areas. |
| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | I've not tagged for the renderer. FULL STOP. I have used existing conventions (sused since long). FULL STOP. I have solved incorrect tagging caused by confusion. Names are accessory but still essential for editors. the iD editor still does not make any distrinction when selecting relations, you have to visit each one after selecting to know if this is the correct one by looking at the list of tags.
I repeat it becauser you don't want to read: I have used those names to help fixing incorrect tags (not names, they don't matter here, but tagging distinct landmasses as if they were boundaries, and they are not !)
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| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | So you want to reverse a decision that was taken long time ago by other people (not me) to use distinctive name without even asking them why they chose that convention? And you don't care at all about the confusions that were made (which was why I made this changeset to solve duplicates or incorrect tagging for landmasses which were confused with boundaries !) |
| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | Remember that these "names" found landmasses are never rendered at all with labels on maps because they are NOT boundaries. They are just used by reference from other objects or selected and found by specific tags.
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| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | Note: the OSM website (here). Does not allow seeing distinctions easily (the types of objects are NOT specified at all in list of members or list of parent relations).
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| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | This method of naming differently has been used everywhere else since the beginning, because there were confusions betwee ndistinct objects (and Nominatim was also confused and did not allow making the distinction between landmasses and admin boundaries, but also because various contributors changed landmasses into admin boundaries, creating duplicate)
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| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | Note: "Jersey" alone would alsop be incorrect ! Jersey is larger than that.
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| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | Except that rawedit is integrated with other tools that propose to use either it (simple and fast for minor tag changes), or JOSM (too slow for these cases)
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| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | An no this was absolutely not "mechanical edit", they were done individually at very small speed, with raweditor, over a long perdiod of several hours using other editors.
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| 56127378 | almost 8 years ago | Raw edit is a set of individual edits on isolated tags. There's no way in it to create separate changesets, they are closed automatically but after long time (only made by the server, not by that editor).
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