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104301320 over 4 years ago

Ignoring the spam above, this edit covers a large area, I but understand this is a lumping of various anonymous edits.

104197331 over 4 years ago

The same also goes with travel from southeast Edmonton and the northwest, where the most favoured route is through the Whitemud. Highway 14 and St. Albert, the main route is through the Henday.

104198624 over 4 years ago

There’s no single definition of a trunk in the Canadian context, but I follow the most commonly followed definition of a trunk being NHS core routes.

Beyond the fact they're no longer part of NHS, Highway 2 following Gateway Boulevard and Calgary Trail are no longer significantly travelled routes since the opening of the Henday. Terwillegar Drive can be a trunk as an expressway following the second, alternative definition, but that could be downgraded to secondary as most of its traffic is between the areas served. The road is designed for eventual conversion to freeway, but we can have it classified per its present usage instead of its physical attributes.

104197331 over 4 years ago

I would think the criteria for a former provincial highway to be primary is that it has been a provincial highway in the recent past and/or carries a high amount of traffic as it has been. Highway 2 used to serve downtown and Old Strathcona until it was realigned to the Whitemud, 170 Street, and the Yellowhead, and eventually its present routing, following the Henday between Whitemud and the Yellowhead (though there aren't any signs there telling that's part of Highway 2). Highway 16 also used to enter downtown, following Stony Plain Road, continuing from what's now Highway 16A, 124 Street, Jasper Ave, 95 Street, Rowland Road, 84 Street, 98 Street, 101 Ave, Baseline Road, and part of what's now the Henday, before being realigned to follow Mayfield Road, 111 Ave, 109 Street, Princess Elizabeth, and 118 Ave from the 1960s until the 1980s, 170 Street and the partially complete Yellowhead Trail in the 1980s till the 1990s, and eventually, the remaining section Yellowhead Trail to connect with the completed northern bypass of Spruce Grove and Stony Plain.

On the point they're no longer major routes to be classified primary, I completely agree. They don't carry high levels of crosstown traffic as they used to be as provincial highways, and GPS navigation won't either suggest routes following those roads (for example, when travelling from West Ed to somewhere in Northeast Edmonton as well as Strathcona County, the most likely routing will take you through the Yellowhead and the Whitemud. Same also goes with between South Edmonton and St. Albert, where the main routing is through Whitemud and Henday, or further south coming from the QE2, through the Henday.

104198624 over 4 years ago

I've fixed the service roads in question. The Whitemud eastbound ramp from 99 Street and the service roads has a bus stop (99 Street and Whitemud Drive) but that's fine.

It makes me wonder that the present Edmonton road classification guidelines documented on the wiki reserves primary for provincial highways that aren't part of NHS, when in practice, what the city designated as the inner ring road is also tagged as primary (except the Gretzky, and sections of the Yellowhead and Whitemud); the same also goes with Fort Road between the Yellowhead and Manning Drive/Highway 15.

104198624 over 4 years ago

You could’ve kept the Calgary Trail and Gateway Boulevard as primary as they're no longer part of the NHS since the Henday opened. In addition, you've upgraded parts of the Whitemud service roads into freeway ramps. These could have been kept in their existing classification, plus they also have bus stops and sidewalks.

104197331 over 4 years ago

This roads were previously raised to primary basing on a guideline that primary can be used on former provincial highways. I also use this guideline to upgrade Mayfield Road, parts of 111 Ave, 109 Street, most of Princess Elizabeth, and 118 Ave as the former Highway 16 before realignment to the Yellowhead. What really applies for these?

103863896 over 4 years ago

Correction: should have said “Hillside Centre”.

103818096 over 4 years ago

Correction: should have mentioned Highway 779

103809859 over 4 years ago

missed out this changes: extend CN double track to east of Carvel

102681104 over 4 years ago

Clarification: comment should have said “Kitchener, ON”

102427312 over 4 years ago

I didn’t select it, but appears to be just a problem with the app repeating previous deletion from another changesets. I cleared my cache, and the edits that caused the large bounding box are now gone.

102427312 over 4 years ago

Sorry for the large bounding box, but seems to be a problem with Go Map.

100156071 almost 5 years ago

Then, you might want to bring up the issue with the nav provider (i.e. Mapnsoft), that navigation deactivates due to the change in classification. Are they also using OSM data as well?

Back again on the classification issue, why the QE2 has sections tagged as trunk and most motorway is because of the presence of intersections. Again, motorway is for any freeway (no intersections or property accesses, access only through interchanges) and trunk usually for core routes of the NHS that are not freeways (either expressways or ordinary highways).

100156071 almost 5 years ago

That’s a bug with the car navigation system, and you should be careful with osm.wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer . Maybe you better bring up that navigation issue with Genesis rather than fixing the data just to make the car nav work.

100156071 almost 5 years ago

You may also look at osm.wiki/Canadian_tagging_guidelines to determine when a road is tagged motorway (freeway/controlled-access highway) or a trunk (important highway link that is not a freeway, usually an expressway/limited-access highway). If you’re having any questions, then why not bring that up on talk-ca: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-ca

100156071 almost 5 years ago

You should better understand what a trunk and a motorway mean in the Canadian context. A motorway is usually used to tag a freeway (no property access and intersections, and access only through interchanges) and a trunk is usually used for a stretch of highway that isn’t a freeway but an important road link (usually as a expressway or an ordinary two-lane highway linking major cities).

In thia case, you’ve retagged sections of Highway 2 without taking in consideration the many intersections that make one of the highway’s segments fail motorway (freeway) status. Well, most of Highway 2 between Edmonton and Calgary is tagged motorway (freeway) following the usual criteria, but how is the classification messing up navigation?

98219661 almost 5 years ago

In addition, having address using the common short names used in common speech that commonly drops stuff like suffixes (for brevity's sake) as against those posted in road or business signage, posters/ads, calling cards, documents, etc., looks weird, to be frank, except for the possible exceptions (like EDSA).

98219661 almost 5 years ago

This has been discussed back in 2020 on talk-ph, but the talk to officially adopt use of full street names regardless of what official signs say (with possible exceptions, such as EDSA, STAR Tollway) seems to have stalled. I think we shouldn't set OSM Philippines apart in terms of road naming convention by saying unless it has "Ave.", "Blvd.", "Ln.", "Hwy.", and etc., Spanish "Calle" or "Avenida", Tagalog "Daan" or "Kalye", or Bisaya, Ilocano, or Kapampangan-language "Dalan", we drop "Street" either as implied, not posted or "redundant", and have data users think of it as implied.

Whether to keep or drop "Street" might be a personal thing this time, but I think we need to get things changed. I agree we should officially adopt the convention of using full road names (with some possible exceptions for easy recognition). Naming of places is a separate matter from the naming of roads.

98219661 almost 5 years ago

Just noticed this lately, this edit removed a lot of street name suffixes I added (while keeping it on the others). I think we should move toward using full street names (official street name signs might drop them, but they are included in the name used in addresses)