And I will just thanks Amazon as I would any user that took up this task.

maxerickson do they normally do things in large changesets? I have mostly/always seen some changeset of the size of the local changes. YOu imply that they don’t do this and have a few global changesets?

Ihavenoideawhatyourusernameis,

I’m not StreetComplete needs to be used for this, if someone (Amazon) has information about access to these things and other users do not then they have

tbh they have semi-“on the ground” information here. They have had someone that has been there taht has seen the access gates, etc . It is just someone else is relaying that info to complete OSM.

We don;t need explicitly define access=yes it is presume for everything.

BUt yes they should follow the over the top OEG

Personally I woudl have probably just used delivery for “delivery and resident access”. Or as I would interpret any access tag “delivery” and “authorized people” (in this context the residents). As I would say it is common sense that “authorized people” are allowed to access matter what the tag. Even the most prohibited tag value of “no” allows “authorized people” The language around the access tag for this is ambiguous at best. If you (Minh, Mateusz) there is a better well used tag please share

A great tool for the indoor mapping.

A couple of bits of feedback

a) Levels display for shops, etc You don’t seem to have any levels for say shops on the general map eg (one of your examples) https://indoorequal.org/#map=17.39/48.881169/2.355463&level=-4 At level -4 I would not expect to see any shops (unless they were on level -4) but they are all displayed b) You only seem to have the option for the “levels” when there are indoor features. I do get that but in area as where detailed indoor mapping has not been achieved but say you have multiple things on multiple levels could you display something there showing things are possible. c) You only have the “levels” map selection available when you hit zoom 17 or higher. Can you not make it lower? d) and related to c) can you not somehow indict that if you zoom in it will display indoor mapping features?

I often add these as a seperate note and I think in general i use ‘supermarket’ cafe as the name. Now some may say they don’t have a name often displayed but I’m all for having a name.

I suppose it could/should be extended to other retailers that often have these own branded cafes in their stores. M&S, Debenhams, Ikea, Costco, etc

I think the gambling amenity is used instead of a casino (which it is not)

amenity=gambling

Always difficult but I would be against it would be against it due to the subjective nature of safe.

Personally i think this info could be derived from the existing data. for me a 4 lane primary road (without a dedicated cycle lane) probably isn’t suitable for most cyclists (although 25mph limit might be). If apps used the info in OSM to give options for the user based on types of roads and other existing popular tags (safest route option, don’t use 4 lane primary, risky routes options, allow these, etc, etc)

The problem with adding subject tags is where do you stop. Would you add safe hours like opening times to this stretch of road? (i imagine when there is less traffic off peak time it is safer and you might go along it)

What about roads in bad/rough neighborhoods where you could have attacked? There are probably roads you might not cycle or walk alone along that you know. do you add tags to osm warning of no go areas? Poor/ghetto area tags?

Excellent stuff. I love the data side of OSM and have been following it for years.

for the “Timespan of OSM Contributor Engagement” in the graph and mentioned in your talk what is the big super active block of from mid 2016 til now was down to maps.me announcing on there splash page they used OSM and allowed editing and I agree. Had a great positive boost to OSM. Also at a similar time the PokemonGo effect is in play too, from when the game was launched it soon because clear that features like water, footpaths, etc in OSM had an influence on the game mechanics and from there people were editing OSM to get add these features (mostly legitimate edits but some rouge ones too) and the thick-ish vertical line (jan 2017) maybe is when they switched the ingame map in south korea to use OSM (previously the whole world was from Google map data)

You can see the impact of that here http://osmstats.neis-one.org/?item=countries&country=South%20Korea&date=28-1-2017 from about 10-15 users a day editing in the country to 1200+ in a single day

and the thick line vertical around November 2017 is when the whole world ingame map switched to OSM.

More details in this diary entry on the timelines: @WoodWoseWulf/diary/382394

(also other random things with OSM boost stuff recently Brazil went from around sub 100 daily mappers to I think 800 or something because some big youtuber gamer in Brazil that plays pokemon go posted a video saying you should edit Openstreetmap as it is based, even Portugal got 50% boost in there edits the day that video came out too)

But the visual map hasn’t been updated in nearly 2 years ingame I expect there will be another boost in editors when they get update the visuals again OSM has grown about 30% in nodes/ways/etc since then. ALso if maps.me ever did another splash page saying “we use OSM” when you open the map I imagine any boost in numbers.

Years ago you used to get big boosts in the numbers whenever OSM got in the news but we don’t get as much now and there are so many different areas.

And one small gripe is the “The impact of HOT editing on the growth of OSM” graph. I was so confused thinking I don’t believe HOT contributors are nearly 30-40% of all changesets as I have never seen those numbers looking at daily stats. Then I realized you didn’t start the Y axis at 0 you started about 1.3 million. Sorry just a personal bugbear of mine when looking at data visualizations it allows seems to misled me.

Oh you have probably seen it already and these are old but itoworld dis some great animations of OSM edits

https://vimeo.com/49003594

Hope that helps

I would be a fan of access=private for this.

I wouldn’t call what looks like a track a service road though.

Each country/region might have different interpretations of the same tags. (sadly one of the problems in OSM when editing across the world)

I’m in UK and I wouldn’t have problem with motor_vehicle = yes and access= private (there might be more seldom used access tags (access=delivery but I would use that for explicitly labelled delivery entrances) but as a catch all private covers most of these).

The fact some in my community made you revert everything speaks volumes….

Rotters do understand Tag:highway=pedestrian (as pointed out it was s the area that has issues) Generally I just remap ways as highway=pedestrian on top of the area mapped. I find it incorrect to do highway, = footway there.

Sorry I am still really struggling to see how these are “bad” edit and not an improvement to OSM.

Hundreds of business POIs have been deleted here it seem (from the ones I have looked at) a very simple typo.

Take (as a typical example) thsi one

node/6435212734/history

It was posted will what look like good tags

Phone +1 908-362-1600 Website http://donnasrunwaycafe.com addr:city Blairstown addr:housenumber 36 addr:postcode 07825 addr:state NJ addr:street Lambert Rd. amenity restaurant name Donna’s Runway Cafe

Apart from Rd. instead of Road for addr:street

This seems a real place. You can google it for yourself. They have a real looking facebook page https://www.facebook.com/pages/category/Restaurant/Donnas-Runway-Cafe-1496617950597201/ etc Are you saying that this business is not real and part of some spam/SEO conspiracy? All the links about it are fake news? If so can you provide some evidence for this?

If not and the business is real then what are you objecting to? Someone putting Rd instead of Road?! Surely you can just correct that information instead of deleting it.

I just don’t understand how it is spam/not useful information here if it is a real place. Does the phone number goto a spam hotline or something which is not the business and they try and sell you something?

Are you checking the locations for these by hand?! And a high percentage of them are very wrong (by KM not cm)? I honestly don’t see from the ones I have looked at bad data here it sounds like you have crazy barriers of entry taht you are trying to police here where anything that is not completely perfect you want to delete.

I am honestly baffled by your stance it looks very useful information and you are just deleting it. Waiting for DWG to chime in.

@PeanutButterRemedy

I only have your word that you are a regular mapper obviously this account does not say that. It says 6 days old and all you do is delete legitimate looking data, If you have additional accounts for doing things like this you should have information in there about it explaining who you are and what you are doing.

Why not just correct the information if typos bother you so much? I don’t understand why you want to delete this valuable information from openstreetmap. Why do you not correct the info if it is wrong?!

When I think of SEO gaining the system it is nodes that city=BuyViagraOnlineFromMeSpammer.com I don’t understand how this gains the system. Legit businesses being added to the correct locations the map. Even if it is SEO (far from clear infact very unclear) it all seems valid info.

I want to encourage business to add themselves to openstreetmap. You seem to set the bar so high it is becoming impossible to businesses to add themselves to it.

@glassman, The poster is an obvious troll here. Only creating his account a few days ago (likely using a bot/program do these deletions (also not i the spirit of any guidelines here)) for the sole reason to delete legitimate edits all because they have a minor typo in them. At what is worse they boast about it here.

I see nothing to say these are a breaking the organized editing guidelines (I think you meant), no evidence, They are valid edits that anyone could make for a small business, they are from different accounts, etc.

I have look a few of these edits and the all look like legitimate places. Some have active facebook pages, many other sources you can prove they are real location and they are now I don’t understand why deleting them for Rd vs road is valid reason at all.

It doesn’t matter if I am in the US or not. Or if it is small person wanting to post there details to gain the system by adding their info to the map. You must be new here as we actually want people to add stuff to the map. If you continue to have that attitude in the US where only established user are allow to add to the map then it is going to take ages to get a decent map.

Please do the right thing and not pander to this troll who delete stuff based on Rd versus Road.

If the places did not exist thenb no problem but they all some to and have added decent info about them.

Now it seems I have to revert all your hundred plus “edits”. Geez what a troll you are.

Fine I have reported you.

You are deleting entries for trivial reasons.

I didn’t realise you entire reason for you being on Openstreetmap is to have edits delete valid data.

I picked this one at random

node/6435253775/history

And you deleted it for putting Rd rater than Road.

This is the wrong approach especially for a “mapper” of only 6 days who just deletes things.

I must say I am struggling to see why these edits are bad.

“Street addresses that are abbreviated (Rd vs. Road, St vs. Street) Unit/Suite information improperly added to addr:street Freeform text in the opening_hours tag Upper case characters in key names (Telephone vs. phone)’ These seem petty reasons to delete an edit.

Do you go around deleting all data anyone adds that has Rd vs Road? Or has the wrong capitalization of a tag? What is next you want to delete all users data they added for 1 typo? Maybe I should go through all your edit and look for anything that is wrong and I’ll revert it.

So I have not been convinced this is a problem here. The real question is are they adding real businesses? If so they should stay. That info is better than no info at all.

And just to be clear you are proposing to delete (revert) these entries for slightly incorrect capital letters? That is crazy. I would be for a bot to correct them but not wipe them off the map. In fact I class your proposed actions as vandalism. Do I need to contact DWG for your actions?!

For displaying the map from openstreetmap.org sometimes things might be busy and things don’t load quickly. I would try again another time. You should be able to add things no problem though.

Sadly there is no way of adding photos to openstreetmap.

For adding possibly look at adding tourism=artwork

tourism=artwork And building:architecture= building:architecture=*

Did you not update the image used?

That image of London is old nd has missing buildings, etc.

It is probably a few years out of date. Osm probably has had double the map data (nodes, ways, etc) since then.

Here is what it looks like now.

osm.org/#map=15/51.5077/-0.1298

I never liked original image as most of central London has been well mapped for years and they choose an area showing St. James/Mayfair that no-one had mapped. An odd choice as IMHO we should be showing the best most complete type of areas to show off osm

rorym,

Are you saying it is easy for a bot to create an active account? Maybe thousands of edits and tens of thousands of nodes over a period of time? If so maybe OSM has bigger problems.

alex,

“Allow only verified active mappers to vote and run for the board” This will never pass here. More and more often board members (and those running) have done very little (some a handful of token edits) and will probably complain about discrimination/human rights if this was to come into play. == On a boarder point from reading all of this pdf

What about this as a suggestion.

• Ban any memberships from anyone who has a commercial interest in using the OSM data. If you use OSM commercially (you have a job/company that makes any money through it) you cannot join and need to go via the sponsorship program.

Maybe that will not stick as small white western companies who provide bespoke OSM mapping services would be left out as they want bigger browner Indian companies to be.

I suppose difficult questions.

Even in the most democratic countries companies can still encourage the way people vote in national elections. They just can’t pay for them to vote a particular way.

Companies and influences can encourage people to sign up to be eligible to vote in democratic national elections.

Is that what is happening here?!

in this case a company probably encouraged employees to sign up to vote. They probably payed for there for the right to vote (comparing it to national democratic elections where you don’t have to pay to have the right to vote).

and here no-one even voted in this case just allowed the right to vote

Maybe we should say no membership fee and everyone over x thousand nodes is eligible to vote and you do so via OSM?

Or maybe let OSM company sponsors have more say on how things are run in OSM? Maybe these companies are doing a lot of edits to OSM and feel they don’t have any voice (which is alluded to in the pdf). Sometimes it helps to look within and think about how OSM board/working groups need to change their behaviour to accommodate a changing world.

source” = “Google” does not always mean from Google maps. Often for a small percentage of the population Google can just mean the Internet. With a million plus contributing to OSM it could be the case they might have used this generalisation.

You should practice your typos more SomeoneElse. I guess it is SOTM ==State Of The Map.