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71342036 over 6 years ago

Thanks for catching that! Looks like someone mapped this a few days before I did - I wasn't sure if it had been uploaded and retagged or if maps.me hadn't uploaded it yet.

71071739 over 6 years ago

OK. I believe I just copied the names from the existing platforms. I certainly don't know what they are offhand.

I'm not planning to, but I might get around to it eventually. I'll focus on something else for now though if you feel like having a go :-)

70924668 over 6 years ago

That's what it was missing! I knew there was something wrong - thanks for catching that.

68817973 over 6 years ago

I was actually meaning to ask either you or the mailing list about this... I've been using a small offset to the ESRI World Imagery in JOSM, (0.45;-1.27) because I found this lined up well with existing OSM data around Parkdale. The offset seems less appropriate in other parts of the city though, and I've been judging on a case by case basis whether or not to use any offset or a tiny offset when I start editing. I've been working on the assumption that the existing OSM data is generally correct and that the imagery needs to be tweaked a bit if anything.

I noticed a couple places where our tracks didn't quite line up, and just left a bit of a sharp transition so it was at least clear where the jump was.
This is probably something we need to sort out on the mailing list and/or wiki though as we start to do more detailed mapping.

69056852 over 6 years ago

I'm all for it. This wouldn't be the first PTV2 route in the city, but it would definitely be the most detailed.

A couple related points:
I noticed there are three relations for the 510: A,B, and C. I only see A and B on the official map though. Is C real?

It seems like all the wheelchair tags related to this route are wheelchair=limited. Do you think this can be updated with the full deployment of the new streetcars? Or am I missing some other access limitation?

69056852 over 6 years ago

Related thought: where do tags about shelters, wheelchair access, departure boards, etc belong? I've been adding them to platforms since that is where things physically are, but I see you've added some to the stop positions, at least where the platforms aren't mapped yet.

Should I transfer tags from those?

69056852 over 6 years ago

Yep, looks like that is the more correct tagging. I had been thinking that tram_stop was for the platform area by analogy with highway=bus_stop. It seems though that railway=tram_stop should be tagged the same way (indeed coincident with) public_transport=stop_position.

Thanks for the tip!

68817973 over 6 years ago

Do you know if there is a way in JOSM to transfer history from one way to another?
I had been trying for a while to split the ways off the highway node by node to preserve history, but eventually found it was a lot easier to delete segments and just draw the new lines up to that point.

On a related note, I split the university into a multipolygon the other day and was glad to see all that crazy history at least ended up on the biggest polygon:
way/10905424

I assume JOSM would default to assigning the new way ID to the smaller half, but I don't actually know.

68796383 over 6 years ago

Accidentally forgot to change changeset comment - was actually adding detail to streetcar network.

68316437 over 6 years ago

Indeed, those glued ways are tricky. I just deleted that rail and discovered it was a 'to' way in a bicycle turn restriction. Looks like I wasn't the only one to miss it!

I'll start working, slowly, on splitting tracks west of ~Ossington. Some of the ones you've worked on look really nice! It's been a while since I looked at the map in the downtown area... though I see even part of Queen is split out now. Nice!

68316437 over 6 years ago

How does this look?
relation/9444948
I was skeptical about the wiki's suggestion to split out the rails at first, but now I think this makes a lot more sense and actually looks pretty nice. Getting it done for the whole city would be quite a task... but would certainly clarify a lot of things.

68316437 over 6 years ago

Those look pretty good to me. I'll try tagging a couple stops like that in the next day or two and you can let me know what you think.

68316437 over 6 years ago

I'd love to find a consistent way to tag stop areas. I know I'm not even being consistent with myself right now, as I try to figure out the best way to handle this.

I was intending to show just the shelter there. I'm not sure what else would constitute the platform area... I did a few stops with stop area relations, which would link together related amenities and stop positions.
relation/9414075
But I'm not sure how well supported these are. I think the idea is that anything related to the stop (e.g. signpost, shelter, waste basket, stop position etc) could be included, without having to strictly delimit the area where people are expected to wait.

Do you have any local examples of detailed and well-tagged stops that you think are better handled?

68316437 over 6 years ago

Hmm. True... though it is partly tagged according to version two, with some stop areas using the public_transport=platform tagging.

Probably the most correct thing to do is to remove the version number until it is definitely one or the other. I might have been tagging a bit aspirationally... it takes a lot of work to completely change a route from version one to two.

68338232 over 6 years ago

But at least there aren't millions of them! ;-)

66382870 almost 7 years ago

LOL - I'm mad about the building import too.

58631216 almost 7 years ago

Good question... If I remember right, last time I was there (a few months ago) much of the station was under construction. The gap near the station was probably accurate at the time, but likely needs to be resurveyed.

Or are you talking about how it doesn't quite connect to Kennedy Road?

66508865 almost 7 years ago

Incorrect changeset comment and source. This was part of the Hamilton County building import and the source of the data is CAGIS.

65903938 almost 7 years ago

Changeset comment is incorrect. This is part of OSMUS task #107

55906257 over 7 years ago

OK, you might have convinced me. It seems like my point is moot so long as marked crossings are still indicated as nodes on the centerline: e.g. you can cross Lansdowne at West Lodge Park or at Dundas but not in between. That could be guessed from an absence of marked crossings on a secondary... though I don't know of any routers that currently use the necessary logic to make that work.

I wonder if this is a discussion that should be had over on the sidewalks wiki page? The consensus as I understand it doesn't seem to address some of the points raised here and leaves open both options without a good way of integrating them.