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119066930 about 1 month ago

Sadly it is quite hard to say, as I am not experienced with location (I never visited Thailand, and the closest I got was on trip to z Ukraine).

Also I have limited experience with jewellery.

Though if they sell bracelets/necklaces - even if those are bought as investments - I think considering them as jewellery shops works.

It would be maybe trickier if they would be selling primarily gold bars etc

174646008 about 1 month ago

Edycja wycofana że względu na brak reakcji be komentarze

changeset/175001989

174980205 about 1 month ago

There was huge trunk discussion, definition was changed.
There is still huge ongoing discussion.

Thanks for reminder about English translations! It seems that these pages were not updated - can you post link if you have it handy?

(I still try to remember and find it, but if you still have link in browser...)

Change should be now reverted so no extra action needed with that

174980205 about 1 month ago

Why you think that "normal" junctions make trunk impossible?

Please, look at highway=trunk in UK. And bad German tagging is irrelevant here, as it is not in Germany.

Also, note that trunk retaggings in Poland must be first proposed and discussed at forums.

174948821 about 1 month ago

Survey, not surgery

174829288 about 1 month ago

A po twojej zmianie jadąc z północy i zjeżdżając na S52 nagle masz 300 m drogi niższej klasy co jest błędniejsze

Dodatkowo: gdzie dyskusja na forum przed zmianą? Nigdy nie rób zmian klasy dróg jak trunk bez dyskusji na forum

172914669 about 1 month ago

https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/drogi-w-budowie/94470/128

173646888 about 1 month ago

a, najwyraźniej tak: widać na zdjęciu

173646888 about 1 month ago

nie wiem

173646888 about 1 month ago

I niestety widać efekty: https://dziennikpolski24.pl/wielka-wycinka-w-centrum-bronowic-z-krajobrazu-zniknelo-50-dorodnych-drzew-powstanie-wielki-dworzec-dla-polnocno-zachodniej-czesci-krakowa/ar/c1p2-28176885

174736769 about 1 month ago

and to be clear, this type of confusion would be perfectly fine and not bannable offence if these would be new people

but I strongly suspect that these accounts are operated by a single person

174736769 about 1 month ago

(are additional listings like that needed or is it enough for now? I prefer to not spend too long on that, unless it would be useful)

174736769 about 1 month ago

way/1329312751/history - here it is clearly not highway=trunk

Philet2137 is this time basing edit on a different type of official paper, E-road routing

for some reason E75 was not moved to A1/S7 and still goes through city center

luckily for residents it is not anymore very important road, definitely not on national scale so highway=trunk is extremely dubious - especially with "E75 is there" as sole justification

174736769 about 1 month ago

way/339597002/history - Philet2137 and Pan_palat removed ref=5 solely because some official documents supposedly changed

it was still signed last time anyone checked it, and they are not even disputing this (just changing stuff with "official paper says otherwise" as sole reason)

note: at some point removal of ref=5 may be a valid edit, especially after S3 road is opened, 5 road will be likely actually degraded

174736769 about 1 month ago

In general problem here is less with that specific road has some innate primariness and user retagged it to trunk despite it not having trunkiness.

Typically it is not about road being discussed and community reaching conclusion.

Rather the problem is that some mappers (especially Temat-Droga) refused to discuss anything and tried to force their preferred tagging. In unending parade of new accounts. Or with flood of changes.
And then tried to block return to status quo by demanding discussion over each change. Or redoing it again in edit war.
So general strategy was to make 6 changes, and hope that people will revert only some or it will end in an endless discussion.
To combat that Polish community at this point expects discussion to happen BEFORE =trunk is edited, otherwise anyone can revert it for any reason.

So it is more about "totally new account appears, makes changes to from =secondary to =trunk in their first or second edit, continues this kind of editing". @FILszew/history is one just appeared BTW

So in "more unexplained undiscussed nonsense trunk category changes" main problem is 'undiscussed' part and it may be overly procedural and it is a bit tricky to provide proof of no discussion except discussion not taking place.
On account of it being not discussed proving 'nonsense' is tricky - I would need to start several discussions for that, as these edits being not discussed are main problem.
And that is just too much, whole point of "make discussion first" is to move burden on road class warriors.

Hopefully this answers a bit why I though "no discussion happened, nothing linked in changeset" is considered as offense in itself?

Maybe I am overtouchy and it is perfectly normal newbie edit to fiddle with highway=secondary to highway=trunk on long road distance on the second edit?

174783986 about 1 month ago

przypominam że takie edycje zmian klasyfikacji dróg powinny być dyskutowane na forum, na https://community.openstreetmap.org/c/communities/pl/40

w przeciwnym razie każdy może je wycofać, bez dalszych powodów

174736769 about 1 month ago

(for this specific account and this edit, I remember we have few more accounts)

174736769 about 1 month ago

OK, that will take a bit more time. Lets start with way/27597535/history or https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/osm-deep-history/#/way/41189769

problem is not with whether it is secondary or primary but because change was motivated by official road classification

while road classes in official classification (either of them) do not match to OSM one, this is documented at osm.wiki/Pl:Key:highway#Warto%C5%9Bci and osm.wiki/Pl:Drogi#Klasyfikacja_dr%C3%B3g

this is also listed at osm.wiki/International_highway_classification_equivalence#Examples_of_cases_contradicting_simple_rules

disclaimer: I authored that

mandatory discussion of changes to high road classes is described and documented for example at osm.wiki/Pl:Znakowanie_dr%C3%B3g_w_Polsce#Drogi_samochodowe

A tiny bit ironically added by Pavv in osm.wiki/w/index.php?title=Pl:Znakowanie_dr%C3%B3g_w_Polsce&diff=prev&oldid=2919811 very recently there but this is in general supported and was documented somewhere else already (cannot find it right now)

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would this be considered sufficient?

174736769 about 1 month ago

I could easily write down more of Temat-Droga class of issues but I hope it is enough

174736769 about 1 month ago

oh, it is more obnoxious as it is either the same person or multiple people with the same trunk-related obsessions, editing similar roads and pope-number obsession and similar communication problems