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146957111 almost 2 years ago

I can make an institution or a tourist company and register it officially in the government and print flip books for tourist to buy or get for free with a tour etc. that will not grant me the rights to rename objects hundred of miles away from me.
So please again, Share anything that is present at the location.
You can see the link you shared have the images of the places taken, and those images do not have any foreign Persian name.
Regards.

146957111 almost 2 years ago

>they have a multilanguages name tags,
Can you please specify where those names are? on the internet or on the ground?

"removing other languages name tag" is perfectly OK if that language isn't actually present - translations don't belong in OSM. You added a forign language that is not verifiable or present on the ground.
If this building does have a Persian name in Persian script to go alongside the Arabic name, or written under it, or it exist in a plate or a sign at the location, then you can add it in name:fa tag. If there really is no Persian name, then it shouldn't have one in OSM.
if there is any Persian name of the place at the location s sign, plate, banner, or even in a brochure giving at that location or a Persian name written in an official website of the place or any other official government website please share it and we can use that exact name.
Regards.

146957111 almost 2 years ago

Can you please provide source of the name on the ground, like a sign or plate?
As I survey, there is no Persian name here, and anything that can not be verified on the ground shall be removed.
Here is a picture of the outside of the building: https://alhikmeh.org/yanabeemag/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/MS-3.jpg
And here is pictures of the inside, no persian as well:
https://shiawaves.com/arabic/pics/15449-بالصور-مرقد-الصحابي-الجليل-سلمان-المح/
Regards.

146917714 almost 2 years ago

Why did you ignore or not read my comment?
Calling the name as disputed is exaggerated, for it to be disputed, some locals must acknowledge and recognize it, and no one do on the ground per my survey what I witnessed first hand, what part of this you don't understand?
I offered to meet at the subject location since it's not that far from me and survey what's on the ground but you ignored, because you're a foreigner from another country or don't want to travel just to be proven wrong.
You're mentioning the wiki but keep ignoring this rule "If an official name is more unwieldy or obscure than another name for the same feature and fewer people use it in practice, even if it is signposted, it is better to put the official name in official_name=* or alt_name=* than to treat it as the primary name." name=*#:~:text=even%20if%20it%20is%20signposted

Regarding the suffix and puffery, it do not belong to OSM, for example, see The Kaaba, which is the most holiest place for Muslims, way/103914569 the name is "الكعبة" no any additional text, or maybe your idol way/537848068 there is no "قدس سرة" suffix etc..
Regards.

146917714 almost 2 years ago

@ChehrehBargi Please the wiki: "If an official name is more unwieldy or obscure than another name for the same feature and fewer people use it in practice, even if it is signposted, it is better to put the official name in official_name=* or alt_name=* than to treat it as the primary name."
name=*#:~:text=even%20if%20it%20is%20signposted
I survey this a couple of months ago, and during that time, no individuals were found to be familiar with the mentioned deleted name here. In the event that you were to inquire with a taxi driver regarding this designation, they would express bewilderment and confusion. I have traversed this road on several occasions and have not observed any signage bearing the specified information. It is plausible that the sign may have been removed. I encourage you to verify this information with the individual who sent you to comment here and told you to say the hebrew, and Maryam thing on the other changesets, as I had previously shared images and videos from this city two months ago with him.
I am willing to visit the specified area again since it's not that far from where I'm staying, with the intention of meeting anyone who is willing to guide me to the current location of the signs. I am open to being shown the presence of official signage to verify the accuracy of the information provided.

Regards.

146749283 almost 2 years ago

>Have you polled that people use that name or do you have a problem with that name yourself?

-The designated appellation is not utilized or recognized by the residents and locals in the area. This assertion is made based on a thorough understanding of the local context and insights derived from firsthand knowledge.
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">The sign that was recently installed here is an official sign"

-May I request an image of the installation in question? Additionally, could you provide specific geographic coordinates to facilitate precise point location? Have you survey and saw it yourself? Concerning the term "official," clarification is sought regarding whether the municipality is responsible for this nomenclature. It is crucial to note that the PMU milita forces, being the entity behind the sign creation and installation, lack the legal mandate to officially designate street names or install signage.
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">and if it was not the official name, the municipality would have removed it.
>If a sign is installed on the street, it must be done with the permission of the municipality."

-Regrettably, the municipality does not engage in the removal of such signs, contributing to the proliferation of numerous unofficial and often inaccurately named signage erected by residents. This includes instances where individuals affix handcrafted signs with descriptive names, such as "Street of Abu Example" or "Street of Martyr Example," contrary to the legal requirement for residential streets to be designated solely by numbers. Despite these deviations, it seems the municipality remains indifferent to such occurrences, even in cases involving hand-written signs executed with brushs.
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">Why do you think Iraq is so chaotic that anyone can install whatever they want in the city?"

-I kindly request that you refrain from making assertions about my country without the depth of local understanding that I possess. I urge you to exercise respect and discretion in your comments.
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Ultimately, the act of affixing a personal sign to Airport Street, even if the municipality does not take measures to remove it, does not confer the legitimate authority to officially designate the street with my name on OSM. It is essential to exercise prudence and consider locations where one possesses local knowledge and a nuanced understanding of on-the-ground circumstances.

Regards.

139255358 almost 2 years ago

ChehrehBargi, Please read the comments again, and I advise you to pay more attention and debate in an area in which you have local knowledge, and leave the discussion in an area in which you have no local knowledge in, especially if it is in a foreign country to you. Regards.

139255358 almost 2 years ago

Again if something like a shop or a name of a subject can not be verified on the ground, it shall be removed. As simple as that. place=* nodes/relations are a different story as they are not a POI.
Regards.

139255358 almost 2 years ago

@ChehrehBargi, If a shop, office or street does have a Persian name in Persian script written to go alongside the Arabic name in Persian script, then that should be in the name:fa tag. If there really is no Persian name at the ground, then it shouldn't. Anything can not be verified on the ground shall be removed. Transliterations don't belong in OSM.
Regards.

146749283 almost 2 years ago

ChehrehBargi,
I request you to review the relevant documentation on the wiki, which explicitly states, "If an official name is more unwieldy or obscure than another name for the same feature and fewer people use it in practice, even if it is signposted, it is better to put the official name in official_name=* or alt_name=* than to treat it as the primary name."
Additionally, it is important to note that the name in question has not been officially endorsed or displayed by the the people or the municipality; rather, it was erected by the Popular Mobilization Forces as a political statement. In the OpenStreetMap community, we aim to avoid incorporating political and problematic actions.
It is imperative to highlight that the signage in question does not conform to the official regulations governing street signs in Iraq. As stipulated by the law, street signs within city limits are mandated to be white, aligning with the specifications outlined in the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic. Contrary to this requirement, the observed signage is colored blue, a designation typically reserved for motorways under legal protocols. Notably, this particular sign features an image of an individual, along with the emblem of the Popular Mobilization Forces, further compounding its deviation from the prescribed standards. Such non-compliance raises significant concerns about the accuracy and appropriateness of the information.
Regards.

146816925 almost 2 years ago

Hello Ahmad-0772,
Thank you for your edit and removing the duplicate nodes, but Please next time when you remove the duplicate, please check if some of them has valid data that will be entirely removed if you did not copy them to the node that you wanted to keep.
See this example, the one you removed had name:ar and name:en:
node/10980198505/history
And the one you kept is without those names:
node/9221331912/history
No worries, I will copy them to the current kept one, but just wanted to share this info.
Regards.

146749283 almost 2 years ago

Indeed, and unfortunately true. I really hope for the best.

146749283 almost 2 years ago

Thank you, in this changeset I restored ‘name’ tag to the one known and used. Regards.

142892577 almost 2 years ago

Please provide sources to your changeset, I'm still waiting for the photos you wanted to upload. Regards.

146618118 almost 2 years ago

Please upload the pictures to any picture hosting website and comment them here.
Pictures must shows that the street name is in Kurdish only or multi language but Kurdish is mainly on top.
Pictures must be taken recently not before 2017.
Regards.

146618118 almost 2 years ago

Please provide a source for your changeset. A picture that shows that the street language name are only or mainly in Kurdish not Arabic at top. Otherwise I will revert due to my knowledge that every street sign in Kirkuk is mainly at Arabic. Best regards.

142892577 almost 2 years ago

No, there is no language in US constitution.
And for Iraq, yes Kurdish is considered also an official with the Arabic language, but here in OSM we follow the street signs, and the main language at top the street signs in Kirkuk is Arabic. English Kurdish and turkmen are right after Arabic.

146581536 almost 2 years ago

But these parts are above the ground level, shouldn’t they have level 1 to distinguish their level from the one next to it at the ground level? Regards.

146546292 almost 2 years ago

Just noticed that its for the entrance and the exit not the middle part. Thank you for your edit, and sorry for the misunderstanding. Regards.

146546292 almost 2 years ago

Hello, why did you remove the layer tag from the tunnel? Regards.