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139495025 over 2 years ago

It's my duty, my pleasure,
Thank you for your edits here and keep up the great work of yours in this area and happy mapping! :)

139252965 over 2 years ago

@ChehrehBargi, Again,
1- If you add temporary objects, they will be removed, and yes, 1 week a year is considered temporary, read here: osm.wiki/Good_practice#Don't_map_temporary_events_and_temporary_features
2- If you add names in a language that are not on the ground in a sign it should be removed especially if it's not local and translated by 3rd party services.
3- If you map anything not on the ground in reality, like inscriptions, monuments, and others, and you assume is this fine, even with good faith, it will be removed as it's considered as fictional mapping.
Bye.

139252965 over 2 years ago

@ChehrehBargi The article I linked explains such things will lead to such events, and might get hundreds of people killed and tens of thousands injured. You added a grave of an Iranian general as a monument and said previously "they are brave like general xxx" and General xxx is on the international terrorist list in the US and EU! and fought against Iraq in the war and killed the protesters in the protest I linked above, and they burned their the general's photos. And even if we looked away from all of that chaos, you added such thing as a "monument" which is not, you added "inscription" which is not on the ground, and this considers as fictional mapping that we should always remove.
The same goes for the translated names you added for POI, if it's not there, it should not be up, and especially the names that are translated with 3rd party translators are forbidden entirely.
As I told you last year, you shall not add temporary objects period! Imaging I did not delete the temporary resting tents you added and someone used navigation apps that use OSM data to find some place to rest, he will go there and see nothing! just an empty road! this is not acceptable. And even let's say the objects you still want to add are not just tents, it's still and closed the whole year, and only open in one week in the year, So, it is temporary, and if it's a building, it should be mapped as building=yes only without the rest area tags as it's not for resting for the whole year due to it being closed for the whole year except 1 week.
Same scenario for the poles, let's say someone driving on the road and his car broke down in the desert, do you want him to give fake numbers on the navigation map he uses that were up as guide posts for the one-week event in the year or go to the pole and see the actual correct number on the plate cover to know how far he is in kilometers away from the city?
Regarding the grave you added as a monument in this changeset, you did not answer my questions, is it really a monument? Show us how different it is from the other 6 million graves in the cemetery.
Again, we map only what is on the ground, and should not use translated names not on the ground. And should not map temporary objects like festive season POIs.
I really hope you understand this.
Regards.

139252965 over 2 years ago

Also, something to add, @ChehrehBargi, in this changeset you added Way: 1193549241, which is this I believe: https://i.ibb.co/48xNMsZ/image.png is this really a "historic=monument"? And what's the difference between it and the other 6 millions in this cemetery?
Also you added "inscription" where is this inscription?
What you did is considered as fictional mapping.

139252965 over 2 years ago

@SomeoneElse, you said "but is any information to support any of what you've said available in public?
The protests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%932021_Iraqi_protests
The quotes from you: https://t.me/OpenStreetMapOrg
Andy reverted all of the changesets by problematic mappers in subject area: changeset/124425633
Sören Authorized OSM Iraq: https://t.me/OSM_Iraq/184
And, you blocked me for deleting this: https://osm.mapki.com/history/way/966067085 Which you should know it's not a local or on signs as we don't have such language in Iraq and the user said above it's translated. And you looked away from deleting the "religion" tag from https://osm.mapki.com/history/way/1097262196 which is definitely a vandal. DWG should always be neutral.
Regards.


@ChehrehBargi, You mentioned "electric light poles", yes I do remember you adding wrong numbers as electric light poles numbers and I and other mappers told you that Electrict light poles do not has the type of numbering that you added, and the numbering of the electric light poles outside the cities are made by the distance example "kilo 14" or "kilo 136" etc. which that mean it's 136 kilometers from the city gate. Keep in mind some of the electric light poles that are now inside the city still has these numbers as the city got bigger and these numbers are measured from the original city arch gates.
You added objects that were temporary for only 1 week a year and is not gurnteed to be at the same exact location the next year, like the resting tents in the streets, You know this very well and I gave you the osm wiki link that say we shall not add temp objects, but you kept arguing to have them in.
Again ChehrehBargi, please do not add names that are not local or on the ground.
You said "It is true that respected users from Iraq sent me messages. After talking with them, we decided not to discuss with you any more. And my work was not wrong." you are making this sound like Iraqis agreed with you on something, while infact they told you to not map like this, I believe Nawfal is the one you are referring to, while Nawfal just replied to my message few days ago and agreeing to remove your edits and told me good job after I reverted your edits and stated it in our Public OSM Iraq group which you can go and see.
Regards.

139255358 over 2 years ago

@SomeoneElse I had surveyed this area many times before and there is no sign with such a name. I believe you should ask the one who added it, did you see such a name in such language on the ground? I commented and say that it was not on the ground and the user replied with something else and did not deny it, which will give you your answer.
In Iraq we have street signs in only 2 languages for the streets, Arabic and English, an example of street signs in this city: https://nabd.com/s/101689227-20bc4e/الأشجار-تزيّن-شوارع-كربلاء-المقدسة-%28صور%29 There is an exception in only 4 povernorates, The 3 poveronates in the Kurdistan region, Erbil, Sulymanyah, Duhok which the signs are in 3 languages Kurdish as a primary and Arabic and English is secondary, And Kirkuk which started to add signs that has 4 languages, Arabic is primary and bigger and Kurdish, Turkmen, And English as secondaries, and will also be replaced again to add a 5th language which is Syriac see here: https://www.zowaa.org/استجابة-لمطالبة-السيد-عماد-يوخنا،-محا/ keep in mind most of the city still has signs with 2 languages only, Arabic and English, the changing started in Aug 2022.
The above is for the main streets only, and the residential street signs have only one language which is the local one, example in this exact city see: https://al-hodaonline.com/article/39418/ and Baghdad: https://i.imgur.com/7LlFYxS.jpeg
Regards.

139255358 over 2 years ago

@SomeoneElse,
I did not revert a changeset to remove a language I don't like etc. The language is not even on the ground and it is just a translation and the user added it for a political reason.
you said on OSM Telegram group this ""removing languages entirely" is perfectly OK if that language isn't actually present - translations (and transliterations, except in very unusual situations) don't belong in OSM." then followed up with "By looking at the name on the sign? A translation to e.g. Japanese won't help them if there is no Japanese sign" and "If it's verifiable the name should stay; if it isn't it shouldn't."
Therefore, the name should've not be added at the first place.
I explained everything in detail in changeset/139252965.
Regards.

139252965 over 2 years ago

@SomeoneElse
You stated,  "It is not OK to remove names for political reasons. It is also not OK to refer to other mappers as "foreign users" as a perjorative when they are apparently mapping from survey (which is I suspect is more than you have ever done here)." This is not true, as the mapper above stated he added the data as "Survey" while the data he added are not on the ground! example, way 1193549241 deleted in this changeset, I bet you to get me a picture with this inscription, Also I have been here and surveyed the area tens of times so you should not assume or "suspect" before asking, you could've just asked for reasons before taking a side.
You said "It is not OK to remove names for political reasons.", I reverted his changesets in full as they are problematic, you, you Andy, did the same exact thing and reverted all of the changesets by problematic mappers in such subject areas, You used the same changeset comment I did, and reverted them in the same way. We have lost +800 and over 25k injuries in our 2019 protest that went out against the government and the foreign influence in the gov, and such edits that add an Iranian general name to the map are very provocative to the Iraqi people, and I'm not gonna watch and letting such provocative edits make us lose another life. And even though, We in OSM Iraq agreed to remove graves from cemeteries to prevent spam, his cemetery has 6 million graves, if we let some, the floodgate will be open, I assume you can see the deep history of nodes inside the cemetery and you will see how spam it is, therefore our community decided to remove such graves which are usually added with wrong tags like tourist attractions, place of worship, campsite, etc.. these are usually added by maps me users, you can learn more here in the comment I explained it to another user: changeset/139229519
Regarding the name tag that was removed from way, you said on OSM Telegram group this ""removing languages entirely" is perfectly OK if that language isn't actually present - translations (and transliterations, except in very unusual situations) don't belong in OSM." then followed up with "By looking at the name on the sign? A translation to e.g. Japanese won't help them if there is no Japanese sign" and "If it's verifiable the name should stay; if it isn't it shouldn't." The name tag that was removed from way/966067085 by the revert process, is not on the ground and was just a translation.
Regarding our community, you stated, "While mappers from any community should use some private channel and not one that is open to all is discriminatory.", this is wrong, our community group is OPEN and PUBLIC to all, and you can read messages without signing up for Telegram, and it was authorized by Sören 2 years ago and added to the OSM wiki list. We stated the edits of this mapper in the group and only got support to revert, no one was against it. This same user "ChehrehBargi" did the same thing, and was contacted by me and other mappers here in OSM via private chats trying to explain to him that it is no okay to map like that, and I told him to discuss the matter with our local community to speak with hundreds of Iraqis, he refused and went in OSM Iran, when all were against him! and even the Admin told him to stop this type of edits. The user had the opportunity to discuss it with the community and he denied it, probably because he know the community won't accept such edits.
Regards.

139438608 over 2 years ago

Hello dear user, and welcome to OpenStreetMap.
Few things you need to take note of please,
Use local language when you edit in an area so the locals understand what is your edit and why, for Iraq, you can use Arabic, and for the Kurdish areas in Iraq it is okay to use Kurdish. Here you used Esperanto which is an artificial language, not a local one.
Also, about your username, it gives the impression that your account is an official account of the Iraqi OSM community, which is wrong, as we do not have an official account, each one of us edits with his own account, and some edits are backed by the community when the edit is discussed in the community group https://t.me/OSM_Iraq, I also see your bio is a copy paste google translation from osm.org/about, and the bio clearly look translated with horrible grammar errors, are you even local?
Here in this changeset, you deleted a valid business: node/5498532226/history Why the deletion? As your changeset comment which is not a local language does not say the reason why.
Regards.

139411212 over 2 years ago

Hello, May I know why did you used the Kurdish name as the main tag in this mosque?
The previous node that you deleted had only Arabic: node/4836619221
Please use the local language, the language the most of Kirkuk speak, as changing the main local language to Kurdish is a Kurdification, which is condemn by the human right organization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdification#Kirkuk
Regards.

139344195 over 2 years ago

Hello, Can you please provide us with a picture of the street sign that has the name so we can use the exact name written in the sign as the name for the street.
Regards.

139255358 over 2 years ago

More info and discussion about this is discussed in changeset/139252965

139252965 over 2 years ago

If you want to know and understand why your political, religious, and provocative edits are not ok and not acceptable in Iraq, please come to the Iraqi OSM community group in telegram and ask for you to understand.
I suggest to keep your edits in areas that are local or known to you. It is not forbidden to edit globally, I recommend it actually, but it should not be against local communities will, and should not commit such acts.
Regards.

139253611 over 2 years ago

If you want to know and understand why your political, religious, and provocative edits are not ok and not acceptable in Iraq, please come to the Iraqi OSM community group in telegram and ask for you to understand.
I suggest to keep your edits in areas that are local or known to you. It is not forbidden to edit globally, I recommend it actually, but it should not be against local communities will, and should not commit such acts.
Regards.

139253536 over 2 years ago

If you want to know and understand why your political, religious, and provocative edits are not ok and not acceptable in Iraq, please come to the Iraqi OSM community group in telegram and ask for you to understand.
I suggest to keep your edits in areas that are local or known to you. It is not forbidden to edit globally, I recommend it actually, but it should not be against local communities will, and should not commit such acts.
Regards.

139253429 over 2 years ago

If you want to know and understand why your political, religious, and provocative edits are not ok and not acceptable in Iraq, please come to the Iraqi OSM community group in telegram and ask for you to understand.
I suggest to keep your edits in areas that are local or known to you. It is not forbidden to edit globally, I recommend it actually, but it should not be against local communities will, and should not commit such acts.
Regards.

139253414 over 2 years ago

If you want to know and understand why your political, religious, and provocative edits are not ok and not acceptable in Iraq, please come to the Iraqi OSM community group in telegram and ask for you to understand.
I suggest to keep your edits in areas that are local or known to you. It is not forbidden to edit globally, I recommend it actually, but it should not be against local communities will, and should not commit such acts.
Regards.

139253317 over 2 years ago

If you want to know and understand why your political, religious, and provocative edits are not ok and not acceptable in Iraq, please come to the Iraqi OSM community group in telegram and ask for you to understand.
I suggest to keep your edits in areas that are local or known to you. It is not forbidden to edit globally, I recommend it actually, but it should not be against local communities will, and should not commit such acts.
Regards.

139249148 over 2 years ago

If you want to know and understand why your political, religious, and provocative edits are not ok and not acceptable in Iraq, please come to the Iraqi OSM community group in telegram and ask for you to understand.
I suggest to keep your edits in areas that are local or known to you. It is not forbidden to edit globally, I recommend it actually, but it should not be against local communities will, and should not commit such acts.
Regards.

139253611 over 2 years ago

ChehrehBargi, You did the same problematic edits 1 year ago, We, the Iraqi OSM community contacted you, me and other Iraqis, even local ones to this area like Nawfal85, and we asked you to stop this type of edit, you are welcome to edit whatever if it's not harmful and not political and have a religious agenda. And you tried to explain yourself and give examples and names of those who are on the International terrorist list and called them heroes! We asked you to come to OSM Iraq, our local OSM community to discuss if you disagree, you refused and went to a foreign to discuss this, you went to "OSM Iran" and the admins and other members there told you that you are wrong, and should stop doing these types of edits in their country. 3 Days ago you came back with the same type of problematic edits, adding the Iranian general name to our map, and doing the same type of edits. I reverted them all and announced it in our local Iraqi community group.
Any future edits in Iraq you make with political, religious, and provocative will be reverted period.
Stop.