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126247412 over 3 years ago

لەکۆتاییدا! دوای ئەوەی دەیان کۆمێنتی پشتگوێ خراو و چەندین نامەی تایبەتیان بەجێهێشت، ئێستا وەڵام دەدەنەوە! تکایە بەردەوام بە لە وەڵامدانەوە.
تکایە ناوی ناوخۆیی بەکاربهێنە بۆ ئەو شتانەی کە ناویان دەنێیت.
دەتوانی لە ناوچەکانی کوردستان و ناوچە کوردنشینەکان ناوی کوردی بنێیت، بەڵام لەو شارانە نا کە کورد کەمینە و عەرەب زۆرینە.

126181629 over 3 years ago

Sure, I will make a very detailed descriptive changeset comment next time, while for this one I already answered in: changeset/126181005
Thanks.

126181005 over 3 years ago

I said which is not the language the post office use, the point of the the address tag is for addressing places, the Emergency services, post office and mailing, and all government factors in this city uses the Arabic language since 2017.

> There is no justification to say that Kirkuk is an Arabic-only city
I never said that, I only say Kirkuk is an Arab majority city.

See the provided node above for example, it's in an Arab only neighborhood, had only Arabic name since day one, and this user came and changed it to Kurdish, I can give you hundreds of examples where tons of mappers who added POI in Arabic and he changed them to Kurdish only removing the Arabic entirely.

126248699 over 3 years ago

Sure, I'll explain this to all non-Iraqis as local Iraqis know this fact very well.
Religious places in Iraq are controlled and supervised by Endowment Office, the Shia religious places are controlled by the Shia Endowment Office, and the Sunni religious places are controlled by the Sunni Endowment Office. And all religious places should be registered, other "religious" places whether it's a mosque, a shrine, or any religious site that is not registered considered illegal in Iraq, and the one who opened them faces a lawsuit. This is exactly what happened a couple of weeks ago when a fake religious site, Qatarat Imam Ali that is unregistered collapsed and killed women and children which ignite anger and furious among the Iraqis, so this even made the lazy government act and close the fake religious sites and prosecute the owners. Also on top of that, the names used by the mapper are not Arabic nor Iraqi it is not local and we can not even read them without a translation.

124983263 over 3 years ago

Sure,
Here is examples of the signs in Kirkuk, all of them are made after 2017.

in: https://i.ibb.co/9pVBd0W/image.png
You can see, from top to bottom, Arabic, English, Kurdish, and Turkmen.

same for:
https://www.ina.iq/uploads/posts/2022-08/upload_1660737949_1986171945.jpeg

And there is ones with only Arabic and English,
You can see here that Kurdish tv channels from Kurdistan region are complain about the removal of kurdish language from the signs that the kurds put in the time between 2003-2017 when they controlled the city:
an article:
https://zagrosnews.net/ar/reports/32151
A video showing the new signs with only Arabic and English and no Kurdish:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=958105828180760

And there is still alot of old signs that are pre 2003 that is only Arabic and English only.

Best Regards.

126248699 over 3 years ago

Hello, I use this changeset comment for the scheduled maintenance of removing the spam and wrong edits in Iraq every few days. they are a lot to revert each one in a single changeset. I'm the only one in the Iraqi community who reverts such new wrong edits in Iraq, I've taught other mappers for using the reverter plugin and osmcha but I'm still the only one who does such clean-ups which was approved by the community.
The way you mentioned was a part of a problematic edit by a foreign mapper that I reverted in full. if you want full details of how this is problematic and illegal, let me know and I will explain.
Regards.

124983263 over 3 years ago

Sure, I put the one exactly as it was written on the street signs.
Main name on top of the sign is in Arabic and there was 5 other languages on the bottom included English, Kurdish, Turkmen, and Syriac. We can not put all the secondary names on 'name' tag too, the main one on top should be the one. Regards.

126181005 over 3 years ago

@SomeoneElse Sure! He changed many street names from Arabic to Kurdish, he changed neighborhood names too, and he changed even religious places names for Kurdish for no reason, for example, node/9507768017/history
He changed the address tag to Kurdish which is not the language the post office use for mailing services in this city.

126251720 over 3 years ago

Source of the name?

126155960 over 3 years ago

Thank you! keep up the good work!

126232216 over 3 years ago

Why did you change the English name here?
There is signs in English that says Valley of Peace there.

126239355 over 3 years ago

Why did you remove name:ar from node/4780037324 ?

126243462 over 3 years ago

Why do you keep changing the name?
I left you a comment in changeset/126079467 you made 4 days ago, asking you for a reason and you ignored me, Please answer before changing this feature again. I left you many comments on other changesets too, see them at https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4800812
I will revert this changeset, and will be forced to report it to DWG if you keep changing and do war edits without a giving a reason for the change.

126235884 over 3 years ago

So, we have an agreement?
these 5 place=neighborhood to be in bilingual and any other neighborhood be in Arabic only including the city and other objects?
If yes then I will change these 5 neighborhoods to bilingual now and you promise to not change anything else again or do what you did in Ankawa and others in any other places.
Leave the Arabs for me, I know how to deal with them, I will talk to each one of them who complained here in OSM and the OSM telegram groups and will revert their changes if they remove these bilingual names.

126235884 over 3 years ago

>The word Khasa is very ancient I dont know it came from where and I dont even care .
You claimed that you're Yezidi, and you don't know the meaning of the word? The word "خاس" is used by the Yezidis for the religious Yezidi sites. a Yezidi who doesn't know this? Very strange...

You mentioned a Facebook page as a source? for real? I can also give you tons of Facebook pages and groups for those neighborhoods and these groups and pages are only in Arabic and I bet you already know them. This proves nothing.

in your last comment, you mentioned a video, who made it? Kurdistan24, the official channel that is backed by the KRG that called the Iraqi Army terrorists just because they took control of Kirkuk back from the Kurds back in 2017. Please use neutral sources, I can also give you lots of videos from the Turkmen who say they are the majority in Kirkuk which is absurd. They also say this on their tv channels.

Since you mentioned 5 neighborhoods, "Raheemawa, Imam Qassim, Iskaan, Shorja, Panja Ali" and claimed that they are pure Kurd, which is not the ground fact, but I'm open to accepting the fact that these neighborhoods to be in a bilingual names just for you to stop this nonsense and promise to not change anything else again and everything else should be in Arabic only I'll accept it just to stop the headache!. I can talk with other mappers and try to convince them to accept this too and will post an announcement if you agree with this.
Are you open to end this headache and have only these neighborhoods names in Bilingual and everything else in Arabic in Kirkuk? if you accept I will keep maintaining them and revert any removal of the Kurdish name in these neighborhoods.

Regards.

126235884 over 3 years ago

Can you please just stop calling people "racist"? it is not a nice word. And stop calling me a "foreigner"? as I told you many times that I'm originally from this city and I visit it on common basis.
The neighborhood you are saying is %100 Kurdish which was true but in the past when the Kurds were the majority before the 60s. After the 60s all of these areas become mostly Arabs.
You mentioned a road that has has a Kurdish-related name since the Saddam Hussain era, true, it was related to the Autonomy Agreement of 1970 as the Iraqi government was trying to stop the outlaws in Northern Iraq. You can call it a political courtesy.
The cemetery you mentioned, is also true, it has lots of Kurdish graves, but why? because it's an ancient cemetery, and the Kurds were the majority of Kirkuk before the 60s.
The religious place you mentioned is also an old place and the same thing as the cemetery because it was a Kurd majority city before.
Now we should go on what the situation on the ground not the history of the Kirkuk, we all agree that it was a Kurd majority before but now it is not! it is like 5:1 for the Arabs.
You already know these facts as I don't need to tell you this if you're local. but I'm typing it for other people to see and know the truth.

>Even Spain is wrong. It should Andalus.
No, we should use on-the-ground current names, not historical ones!

>Saddam arabized even the heavens
That doesn't give you the right to go back and change it to what it was before. On the ground is what the matter is. By changing it back then you're going against the locals who live in such areas. Many generations born after these areas became majority Arabs and you want to discriminate against them because of the history?

>you are Saddam's worshipper. You think that what saddam did was holy ?
Saddam, or to be precise, his regime killed my father and uncle as they were part of a party against the Ba'ath party, please don't say such things again.

You said you're Yezidi, quick question to prove that claim, the famous and only river in Kirkuk, Khasa, this name has a meaning in the Yezidi Kurdish dialogue and most Kurds don't know it and it's not translated in apps, what is that meaning of "Khasa" in the Yezidi Kurdish dialogue?

finally, you said, Don't shift the topic, I'll go by your words, please provide an official source that back your claim.

126235884 over 3 years ago

Again, I'm asking for an official source here, if you can't provide one then it's just a claim of yours.
About your argument, also wrong, you stated that the schools names are named after the Kurdish interest, and you forgot the fact that all of these schools had an Arabic related names before 2003 and were changed between 2003-2017 when the Kurdish regional government was controlling Kirkuk and did massive kurdification of the city by replacing every Arabic name into a kurdish related one.
I hate to say this as I hate to say it but just to prove you wrong, you said that this neighborhood did not fall into isis because the fighters were kurds, did you forget Sinjar? when the Kurdish forces left the innocent Yazidis to face genocide and slavery by ISIS?
All of your claims are completely out of this world.
Again, I'm just gonna ask a simple question, can you provide an official source that back your claim in this changeset or not? simple question, yes or no?

126235884 over 3 years ago

So you say your source is local knowledge? this is weird, because the time I was in this neighborhood during my visit I saw otherwise of your claim. Can you back your claim with official sources?

126235884 over 3 years ago

Please provide a source for your change.

126235884 over 3 years ago

No, this is not the fact on the ground that I surveyed. Please provide sources that back your claim. Regards.