Hello ڕاستی,

It is pertinent to note that Arabic holds official language status in conjunction with Kurdish in the Kurdish region, as corroborated by the information available on the official government page: [https://archive.gov.krd/dfr/dfr.gov.krd/p/p9728.html#:~:text=Language-,The%20Kurdistan%20Region%E2%80%99s%20official%20languages%20for%20government%20purposes%20are%20Kurdish%20and%20Arabic.,-The%20two%20most]. Additionally, I have previously submitted sources, including receipts from local businesses and shops situated on this street, which unequivocally display the street name in Arabic. I am prepared to provide recent documentation from the current year should you require it.

Conducting a comprehensive survey on-site revealed a consistent alignment of responses with the Arabic names previously substantiated by the receipts. Furthermore, government institutions, such as al-Rafiden Bank, situated in this street opposite The Gemhori (Komari) Secondary School, employ Arabic nomenclature. This usage is also endorsed by various hotels in the area. It is noteworthy that the Iraq Postal Service, the official mail service operated by the government, utilizes Arabic for mail processing at their main office in sl-Salhiah, and they use the OpenStreetMap (OSM) data they employ. For verification purposes, I encourage you to contact the Iraq Postal Service via [https://post.iq/en/contact-us/].

Moreover, I would like to apprise you that the images you have shared, particularly referencing the small blue signs within the city of Erbil, predominantly feature the Arabic language, with some exceptions. It is pertinent to note that these signs are fundamentally deemed inaccurate, as they do not align with the official legal framework for signage in Iraq. The Republic of Iraq is a signatory to the Vienna Convention on Road Signs and Signals, wherein the stipulation is that signs for local streets are to be presented in white, while the color blue is reserved for expressways, excluding inner-city thoroughfares.
In the city of Baghdad, a parallel scenario is observed with some of these diminutive street name signs adhering to a similar presentation, albeit in the correct white hue. It is imperative to underscore that these signs are installed by the district authorities, not the municipal entities, as this lies beyond their purview and is not within the scope of their official responsibilities.

I kindly request your cooperation in refraining from the removal of valid names in Erbil. I respectfully ask that you consider reverting this changeset within the next 24 hours. Failing which, I will proceed the revert to reinstate the accurate names.

Regards.

Of course dear Frederik , all clear! I believe in communications and cooperation, as it's crucial here. DWG report should be the last resort when there is no solution in discussions. Thanks again!

Thank you dear Frederik Ramm, Indeed and I agree 100%.
Best Regards.

@BaghdadiMapper he want to say this then report again to the DWG. If he actually don't want to say where he live, he shall never say it publicly in OSM telegram group to hundreds of mappers, or at least not say it on his changeset comment here in OSM, or even better, not to map his own house as 3D building on OSM.

* changeset/107132956
* changeset/107133105
etc...

@Lamassu keep in mind I only mentioned the town that you said you live in to other 170 members in the public Iraq community group, and also you previously mentioned it's your town and you have local knowledge in your earlier changesets in OSM.
Peace.

Same goes for you, @desertivy you publicly stated that in OSM Iraq group and every member knows it as you also kept telling stories about your area in the group.
Don't act surprised.
Again, I'm done here.

@Lamassu You stated that previously in the official Iraq OSM group before you were kicked out. And all members knows from what town you are, as you kept telling everyone that and kept speaking about the services in your town etc.
And, how ironic that you say such thing when you went and said in the public telegram group that I'm I'm "afiliated with the United States regime" etc. and such words for sure can get you killed in Iraq, as it killed many people before like Reham Yacoub for example.
I'm done here.

Lamassu, Actually I'm the local here since I live in this city, in the eastern part of Baghdad City to be exact, while you live in al-Mahmudiyah town south of Baghdad City. We both know this fact and established it previously. Same goes for the user desertivy, who live in al-Ma'aml, north east of Baghdad, outside the boundaries of Baghdad city relation/5638803.

And, for us, the locals, in the city, we always call it by it's name for me and the people I know. Some might call it by it's number, and that's not wrong. We shall not name it by it's number, it shall be by the actual street name that is over 50 year old and still officially used as proven above in the map by Baghdad Municipality. It's not changed to "Street 77" as a name. So, at the end, name of the street in 'name', number of the street in 'ref', and also no harm to have it in 'alt_name' if you insist that the street number can be treated as a name.

Here is a map of Baghdad from Baghdad Municipality showing the street name: https://amanatbaghdad.gov.iq/ar/news/9d116041-df40-4f38-837d-666b24a22743 and also your friend, the user 'desertivy' have many other official maps made by the Baghdad Municipality for the neighborhoods, it was givin to him by a guy who work at the Municipality, and all of them has the name "al-Ameen Street".

Now, I'm gonna change the name of the street to the short name without the full name of the subject as per the notes of user 'desertivy'. Keep in mind there is the same full name for other streets in Iraq in other cities, for example in Karbala way/665891734 , I will not change that.
Regards.

>Baghdad municipality actually uses "شارع 77"
No, Baghdad Municipality say it’s “al-Ameen Street” and its present in the Baghdad Municipality map above as “al-Ameen Street”
@desertivy you have official neighborhood maps from the Municipality, share them here so we see hoe it’s written on them.
It’s as simple as that, street name be in ‘name’ and street number be in ‘ref’ or alt_name.

If you think that the name shall be only “al-Ameen Street” not with the full name of the subject person, no problem. We already have a similar case like “al-Rashid Street”.
Now about the using the street number as a name and move the street name to alt_name I’m strongly against that as 77 is the number of the street and if people referred to the street as 77 that doesn’t mean it’s name, just it’s number. And since the street name is over 50 years old and still not changed it’s necessary for it to be in name, and the street number can be in the ref tag.
Regards.

Hello iran map 28, please do use meaningful changeset comments - “(no comment)” does not help other mappers understand what you are doing.
osm.wiki/Good_changeset_comments
Regards.

Hi,
The map you sent above https://web.archive.org/web/20240110201616/https://api.amanatbaghdad.gov.iq/images/bfeea80c-715b-4b12-b176-66ffc5a16434.jpg by Baghdad Municipality say "Ameen Street" not 77th street.
You told me previously that a guy from Baghdad Municipality sent you official maps made by the Baghdad Municipality, please check them, and you can see that the name of the street is Ameen Street and there might include the number of the street next to it just the number "77" without saying "77th street"
And this street name is +50 year old. I'm also local, and I did heard people say "77th street" yes, but that doesn't mean that is the name of it. I also heard people say "Ameen Street" maybe even more though, and since the 77th street is just the road number, it shall be in the number tag, and the street name be in the name tag. There is no harm to have "77th Street" in alt_name even though it is not a name.
Regards.

Hello Renas Azad,
I have noticed certain edits you make, specifically in instances where nodes are deleted and transformed into areas/way. It has come to my attention that names are being altered from Arabic to Kurdish during these modifications.
I kindly request that you refrain from making such edits, as the 'name' tag ought to align with the name displayed on the subject sign, preserving its original language rather than being changed to another language. As an illustrative example, in a recent changeset, you removed the node at node/9018306518/history and subsequently re-added it as way/1248769896/history with a name different from the original node's name. The authentic name is visibly depicted on the mosque plate, as evidenced here: https://i.ibb.co/F0dB7dd/image.png
I kindly urge you to exercise caution in such edits in the future to maintain consistency and accuracy in our OpenStreetMap contributions.
Best Regards

Hi ChatGPT, Thank you for your detailed and professional wording. :D
As I stated above, Here in OSM follow the on ground and verifiability rule, you stated the important and the crucial need to have the Persian name at OSM, but if it's so important why the facility in subject did not add it at least in a small sign somewhere?
I had went previously to this place in subject after went to the nearby arch and never saw anything in Persian written anywere in this location, nor even any Persian speaking person. By your wording describing such importance for the Persian name, I will assume they add it now, and for this, I will be visiting this place next week or so to verify the existing of Persian names at or in the mosque and will survey on the ground, untill that time, you are free to send anything to prove the Persian name exist on the ground, otherwise if I saw no Persian name at the ground in the mosque, I will remove it.
About the you wanting me to report it to the DWG, you must understand that the DWG is volunteers, and you must try as much as possible to not waste their time with some naming issue that can be solve by following the wiki rules and communication.
Regards.

I can make an institution or a tourist company and register it officially in the government and print flip books for tourist to buy or get for free with a tour etc. that will not grant me the rights to rename objects hundred of miles away from me.
So please again, Share anything that is present at the location.
You can see the link you shared have the images of the places taken, and those images do not have any foreign Persian name.
Regards.

>they have a multilanguages name tags,
Can you please specify where those names are? on the internet or on the ground?

"removing other languages name tag" is perfectly OK if that language isn't actually present - translations don't belong in OSM. You added a forign language that is not verifiable or present on the ground.
If this building does have a Persian name in Persian script to go alongside the Arabic name, or written under it, or it exist in a plate or a sign at the location, then you can add it in name:fa tag. If there really is no Persian name, then it shouldn't have one in OSM.
if there is any Persian name of the place at the location s sign, plate, banner, or even in a brochure giving at that location or a Persian name written in an official website of the place or any other official government website please share it and we can use that exact name.
Regards.

Can you please provide source of the name on the ground, like a sign or plate?
As I survey, there is no Persian name here, and anything that can not be verified on the ground shall be removed.
Here is a picture of the outside of the building: https://alhikmeh.org/yanabeemag/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/MS-3.jpg
And here is pictures of the inside, no persian as well:
https://shiawaves.com/arabic/pics/15449-بالصور-مرقد-الصحابي-الجليل-سلمان-المح/
Regards.

Why did you ignore or not read my comment?
Calling the name as disputed is exaggerated, for it to be disputed, some locals must acknowledge and recognize it, and no one do on the ground per my survey what I witnessed first hand, what part of this you don't understand?
I offered to meet at the subject location since it's not that far from me and survey what's on the ground but you ignored, because you're a foreigner from another country or don't want to travel just to be proven wrong.
You're mentioning the wiki but keep ignoring this rule "If an official name is more unwieldy or obscure than another name for the same feature and fewer people use it in practice, even if it is signposted, it is better to put the official name in official_name=* or alt_name=* than to treat it as the primary name." name=*#:~:text=even%20if%20it%20is%20signposted

Regarding the suffix and puffery, it do not belong to OSM, for example, see The Kaaba, which is the most holiest place for Muslims, way/103914569 the name is "الكعبة" no any additional text, or maybe your idol way/537848068 there is no "قدس سرة" suffix etc..
Regards.

@ChehrehBargi Please the wiki: "If an official name is more unwieldy or obscure than another name for the same feature and fewer people use it in practice, even if it is signposted, it is better to put the official name in official_name=* or alt_name=* than to treat it as the primary name."
name=*#:~:text=even%20if%20it%20is%20signposted
I survey this a couple of months ago, and during that time, no individuals were found to be familiar with the mentioned deleted name here. In the event that you were to inquire with a taxi driver regarding this designation, they would express bewilderment and confusion. I have traversed this road on several occasions and have not observed any signage bearing the specified information. It is plausible that the sign may have been removed. I encourage you to verify this information with the individual who sent you to comment here and told you to say the hebrew, and Maryam thing on the other changesets, as I had previously shared images and videos from this city two months ago with him.
I am willing to visit the specified area again since it's not that far from where I'm staying, with the intention of meeting anyone who is willing to guide me to the current location of the signs. I am open to being shown the presence of official signage to verify the accuracy of the information provided.

Regards.