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150415859 over 1 year ago

For clarity, what I had in mind:
One-sided enclosed footbridges: Kwun Tong Apm, Quarry Bay Station Taikoo Place, Standard Chartered Bank Battery Path
Long `=viaduct` type examples: Tsuen Wan Station Discovery Park

Of course, many other `bridge=covered` are mistakes...

If something is considered a `building=bridge`, thus `indoor=yes` , logically the `bridge=yes` might be redundant. This is especially the case in more significant `building=bridge` (depending on interpretation` ) eg IFC across Man Cheung St as actual "buildings" with shops inside.

149895936 over 1 year ago

For `aeroway=terminal` + `building:part=` which I can't quickly find yet, what I thought is it's common for 1 `building=` to be divided into domestic and international terminals....

149895936 over 1 year ago

Ok maybe they aren't, but as I said, this definition of `=terminal` is overly dependent on `building=` vs `building:part=`

Still, why should connector parts that don't check-in or access to aircraft be `=terminal` ? I don't see any reason in that. As you may have asked above, this causes questions on other connectors, people mover stations, train station, parking, etc.

149895936 over 1 year ago

I don't understand your take on `aeroway=terminal` + `building:part=` cases. They are proper terminals, not `=concourse` . By such definition, only `aeroway=terminal` + `building=` is valid. Are they wrong?

150415859 over 1 year ago

It's unclear how others deal with them, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covered_bridge#Roofed_bridges
The 2 Vietnam examples seem to be "covered bridges" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covered_bridge#Roofed

150415859 over 1 year ago

If these are defined as `bridge=yes` + `indoor=yes` (what's the use of `covered=yes` then?) , it creates the question of why aren't fully enclosed `bridge=covered` the same? The presence of openings that aren't covered by windows?

150415859 over 1 year ago

Originally, it wasn't defined for timber only osm.wiki/w/index.php?oldid=1550838#Bridge_key:_ways_and_relations

150415859 over 1 year ago

Admittedly, `=covered` is used for "covered" wooden bridge. But that could be `covered=yes` + `bridge:material=wood` . `indoor=yes` don't fit for these, unless you consider these to be `building=bridge` , which is inapplicable.
As a side note, a "skyway" is connecting the higher levels of buildings. That's difficult to define here, as the bus terminal side is not very indoors.

150415859 over 1 year ago

`bridge=yes` + `indoor=yes` would be a a walkway on a bridge indoors. It would further be interpreted as indoors of the landscape deck here, which doesn't have an indoors space. `covered=yes` is for the top only. They don't describe the sides.

150384745 over 1 year ago

Please stop deleting and redrawing randomly. You are removing info as well.

150326255 over 1 year ago

Please don't delete `=footway` connected to a `=pedestrian` . They are needed to make crossing across it anywhere work.

150338091 over 1 year ago

Please don't add lot info as `landuse=` . This is not suitable.

149895936 over 1 year ago

The other situation aside from concourses is when the domestic and international, or departures or arrivals (apparently the case in CDG T3) in 1 terminal.
Many `=terminal` in France seems to be wrongly added by `source = cadastre-dgi-fr source : Direction Générale des Finances Publiques - Cadastre. Mise à jour : 201*`

149895936 over 1 year ago

Another example of connector section having `=terminal` in CTS way/1106836257
Using `=terminal` to mean this is a terminal building simply conflicts with the idea of this is 1 terminal/concourse where there are multiple `building=` .

149895936 over 1 year ago

For named ones, eg Brussels certainly have `=terminal` as the 2 piers, but `=terminal` is also wrongly used on the connector section. Are there 1, 3, or 4 terminals? Worse there is a 5th way/367788803 for the military part. Applications can't make use of such ill-defined data reliably. That's why expanding the use of `=terminal` is poorly conceived.
Maybe you agree `=concourse` can at least be used inside one `building=` . What about others that think it's fine to use `=terminal` on every "part" of the airport? The definition of `=terminal` is best not be diluted and turned to meaningless.
In CDG where `=terminal` is used for separate satellite concourse `building=` , the "Liaison" section between 2A and 2C also has `=terminal` added. way/141149076

149895936 over 1 year ago

1. The question is at the same time about why should overlapping `=terminal` inside another one be valid. This makes them redundant, and causes definition and consistency problems. Besides, how do you know why they exist as `=terminal` + `building=` ? Users may not know other solutions, they didn't touch the `building=` , or someone like you added the`terminal` back, etc. There are many possibilities. What I want to show there is as titled, and your point 2, about the possibility of `=terminal` `=multipolygon` without `building=` .
3. They can still understand the `building=` . What's the difference? When they need more detailed info, they have to look at `building=` , `building:part=` , etc anyway.
4. Skypier is a different tab or bookmark, They are simply shown as next to each other on the map. What I want to ask is if main T1 + NSC is 1 `building=` , how should the `=terminal` be handled? If the examples show `building:part=` + `=terminal` is also used, is `=terminal` really defined as always `=terminal` + `building=` ? Many `=terminal` are also wrongly duplicated.

There are 5024 `wr[aeroway=terminal][!name];` results , that's more than half of the 9804 instances in total. Many could be valid as the unnamed only one in many small airports, but many more look invalid as being close to each other. It seems `=terminal` is not mostly used properly.

150064118 over 1 year ago

This is actually wrong. The absolute position is correct. It's the two relatively positioned on the west that are inaccurate in the first place.

149895936 over 1 year ago

Bucharest Henri Coanda, the `building=` vs `building:part=` problem way/771096083

149895936 over 1 year ago

`=terminal` without `building=` xamples:
LHR T5 relation/334919
CDG T3, separated into arrivals and departures relation/8473008
NRT T3, it may be asked what's the difference when the bridge is constructed together relation/8900158
Bahama, very interesting case of 2 small `building=` separated. Is anyone going to make them separate `=terminal`? relation/16025827
Honolulu International T1 Concourse B relation/14332839
These are better handled by `=concourse` inside.

149895936 over 1 year ago

1. For "invalid", I used it to the clearly ill-defined `site=terminal` which has no indication on what "terminal" it is.
2. `=university` is basically used as a university campus. But this is not comparable. Using `=terminal` for concourses is similar to using `=university` for Main and Centennial Campus in HKU separately, when they are continuous. That's actually named "Main Estate" officially, due to confusion with the old "Main Campus".
3. A `=site` + `=terminal` and `=terminal` polygon referring to different things is contradictory. You can notice there is a `perimeter` role defined for `=site` . Main T1 doesn't fit that.
3,4. If you see a possibility for main T1 and NSC to be 1 `building=` , isn't that conflicting with your preferred definition of `=terminal` to be 1 `=terminal` + `building=` ?
6.1. As I said, OSM has more precise, technical, and professional treatment. Other apps will have their own limitations, and they don't care about what is `=stopway` etc either. If you search "concourse vs terminal", you can see many results, and how they can be treated as different levels. You can see the same thing in HKIA officially, where they put all the T1 concourses in 1 tab. https://www.hongkongairport.com/en/map/
6.2. A `=terminal` covering all the `=concourse` shows what is accessed from the terminal completely. They can see the different `building=` without the need of a `=terminal` . It's also not exactly the same for navigating passengers. In the same main T1, they have to take the APM to West Hall for NW and SW concourse, while they can walk from East Hall to T1 Satellite Concourse directly. What matters is reaching the airport, where they only need to choose between T1, and T2 in the coming future. For the latter, the 2 buildings are called T2 and T2 Concourse. Making them different `=terminal` doesn't aid understanding. They can only go to T2 terminal directly.