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134885369 over 2 years ago

Hello, trunk roads that are stubs and lack a connection to another motorway or trunk route at its terminus or those that are bypassed by highways that are better for long-distance traveling (such as I 40) are better fit with highway=primary and expressway=yes. The segment of OKC Boulevard between I 40 and Klein Avenue could be tagged as a motorway as it is a freeway spur, but the rest of the route is more of a business loop with some expressway sections and should not be tagged as trunk.

134707682 almost 3 years ago

I wouldn't call it a stupid move, I think it's just looking from a perspective different from what's agreed upon. I've just now reverted this changeset.

134595508 almost 3 years ago

Having it follow Goldsboro Road to River Road is definitely a good idea, considering that's the route most traffic would take to get between the Beltway and Downtown Bethesda.

134707682 almost 3 years ago

Do you mind if I were to go ahead and revert this changeset?

134187924 almost 3 years ago

I would argue that the idea that these roads are being bypassed due to their at-grade intersections would further deter warranting making them trunk, since it can take up to 20 minutes more to follow a congested stop-and-go thoroughfare than just staying on the Interstate.

But regarding your justification that this meets trunk criteria, due to its intersections with other roads that I 66 doesn't link; pretty much every other US highway paralleling an Interstate does. US 1, 11, 13, 58 60, and 250 all do this in Virginia for significant sections of their routes through the state. There hundreds of other examples outside of Virginia too just like these. In many cases, these highways also have grade-separated junctions with other roads, such as US 1/VA 3 in Fredericksburg, US 60/VA 105 in Newport News, and US 13/US 58 in Norfolk. US 29 has a freeway-like junction at Fairfax County Parkway and West Ox Road, but you still have to cross signalized intersections to get onto an actual freeway like FCP or 66.

If the secondary routes these highways that connected to US 29 and 50 were other trunk routes, then that would most definitely make these roads trunk, but since the only other road that is just as important as these roads is Gallows Road (which is primary), this can't really be used as a justification for making them trunk.

126707946 almost 3 years ago

Would you be open to starting a discussion about this over the tagging channel on the OSM US Slack? I'm still inclined to have this be tagged as a bus guideway over monorail for many reasons, and would like to find out if others agree to see if similar systems in the country should be shifted over to this tagging scheme (however, I am not aware of any other guideway systems in the US and this could be the only one).

134595508 almost 3 years ago

I think primary is a bit of an over-classification for Bradley Boulevard, since it lacks the development and connections to other major highways that River Road and Old Georgetown Road do have. While River Road links Poolesville and Potomac towards DC and Old Georgetown Road passes through downtown Bethesda (both roads providing access to Interstates), Bradley Boulevard serves as a major collector road and only overpasses 495 without any sort of ramps to connect the highways.

134365641 almost 3 years ago

Hello, welcome to OpenStreetMap! When making minor modifications to separate features in multiple different locations, try to upload them separately when possible (e.g. make then save your edits in Fairfax before moving onto another distant city or state like Charlottesville or NC). This way, your changeset will not create a box spanning various other places and won't appear in feeds like the OSMCha unreviewed changeset feed for locations that are within the box but you didn't edit in. Thanks, and happy mapping!

132855865 almost 3 years ago

Hello, why was this minor street changed to a motorway? I assume this is an error.

134323216 almost 3 years ago

Hello, please try to save your changes in one vicinity before editing in another across the ocean, that way your changeset does not appear in feeds like the OSMCha unreviewed changeset feed for other countries. Thanks, and happy mapping!

134483424 almost 3 years ago

Hello, with the assumption that this was unintentional, please try to save your edits in one state before editing in another when possible to avoid creating a large changeset box like this. Not doing so causes your changeset to appear in the feeds like the OSMCha unreviewed changeset feed for other areas within the box, despite none of the edits being in the location that is being reviewed. Thanks, and happy mapping!

134284455 almost 3 years ago

While this road is a continuous stretch, it crosses about 15 signalized intersections between the intersection of US 29, US 50, and VA 236, and the interchange of VA 28 and US 29 and has a speed limit of 45 mph, making it faster and smoother to bypass the stretch by briefly following US 50 up to I 66 and following it for a few miles down to Centreville. I think in some circumstances like rush hour, US 29 might be just as fast (if not faster) than I 66, but it is for most of the time the slower route.

134284431 almost 3 years ago

Major highways bypassed by non-toll freeways are almost always most fit for primary classification. For travelling between DC and Gainesville, I 66 is the best route. I 66 is a (usually) free-flowing high-capacity freeway whereas US 29/50 are very congested and have lots of traffic lights, acting more like business routes. The only case it would be better to take the Lee Highway over 66 is if the latter has heavy traffic.

There is a part of US 50 that is bypassed by I 66 between Merrifield and Arlington tagged as since the Custis Memorial Parkway section of 66 is a toll road, making US 50 act as a shunpike. This would be one of the only rare cases for a bypassed highway like this to warrant trunk classification.

133457571 almost 3 years ago

The whole of SR 844 is technically a freeway, and toll plazas/entrance gates are usually included as part of the freeway for consistency. Even if you're coming off or going onto the road for just 100 feet, it's still part of the gate approach along the freeway.

But on another note related to this changeset - where does the name 'A Road' come from for the roadway between SR 844 S and SR 444? Maps that I've searched up indicate that the name of this road is actually called Davis-Monthan Road (though it appears that it isn't signed with any name and appears more as a highway ramp, so it can't be confirmed 100% if this is the real name of it). Was this name sourced from Google Maps?

134187924 almost 3 years ago

Hello, US 29/50 between Gainesville and Merrifield should be reverted back to primary because I 66 already serves as the main travel route through this corridor, being a high-capacity freeway. Trunk routes generally should not parallel freeways, which are more free-flowing and designed to hold more traffic, unless that freeway is exclusively a toll road, such as with 66 and 50 inside the Beltway. The mistake on my part was not noting that in the highway classification page while writing it.

It should also be said that the trunk network throughout Virginia, or at least NoVa, is complete, and there aren't really any further additions or modifications to it that will be needed now or in the future unless a new highway that warrants such classification is built.

134121899 almost 3 years ago

That would be a mistake on my part. I've now roughly updated everything based on the future plans and what I could make out of the Maxar Imagery (with some of the ROW for the future road alignments visible).

134125116 almost 3 years ago

Sometimes tertiary roads can lead to dead-ends if they're lengthy and have something of significance along it or at its terminus, but usually, short dead-end roads like these are better as residential or minor roads.

133457571 almost 3 years ago

Hello, the initial configuration of these roads was correct as State Route 844 officially terminates at Gate 15A: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_State_Route_844, https://web.archive.org/web/20131020052201/http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Planning/TechServ/TIM/Documents/CountyMaps_ColorOn/GRE_color.pdf

133835834 almost 3 years ago

JFK Drive/New Providence Highway link the airport with Downtown Nassau

Bay/Shirley Streets link Downtown Nassau to the ferries and towards eastern Nassau

Eastern Road/Prince Charles Drive are the main routes through the eastern side of New Providence

The highways south of Downtown Nassau form a dual-carriageway bypass to link the airport and eastern areas

128256647 almost 3 years ago

Whoops, my bad. I've corrected the road access.