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128806460 about 3 years ago

Not relevant. It was not named or mentioned in any way. I already told you I carefully avoid that, at your request. I entered the data under my own nick and at my own responsability, as perceived by myself. Again, please do feel free to improve.

101723436 about 3 years ago

I have now changed the "icao" tag to "local_ref", as is customary

128806460 about 3 years ago

I found those data at uk_airfield_guide, run by Mr. Richard F, who is a firm acquaintance by now. We do not like that site, I well remember how you warned against mentioning it in any way on OSM and I carefully respect that. Still I trust Dick to do his homework right, and be sure that I checked satellite images myself before adding the strip to OSM.
That said, you seem to live nearer than myself - did I tell you I moved to Portugal last summer? - and local info is certainly very worthwhile. Please do feel free to tag the airstrip as "disused" if you think it is - I wouldn't be surprised at all.

122234570 about 3 years ago

They are part of the runway, yes indeed. Im my opinion, we should map the full length of runway as a runway, then add markings to it as appropriate for thresholds. A displaced threshold is, on the ground, nothing more than a stripe of paint, after all.
NB the matter has been discussed before, but I do not remember the outcome.

127891348 about 3 years ago

Andy, it is not the first time that I come across like that. I am ready to apologise for that! I think it comes from my habit - quite unusual these days, I know! - to think matters over, thoroughly, before and during action. If you can hand me any good argument I will be ready to consider and discuss it, and it is not impossible that you convince me. I really am open to correction, and you could see that from consulting my exchanges with various other mappers. Up to now you have offered nothing better than "it has always been like this...", it takes more than such old-wives-talk to convince me.
NB have you seen my comments at [url]osm.wiki/Talk:Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_war[/url]? Perhaps the DWG could comment there.
And by the way, I do look in the mirror quite frequently, at least when shaving - and I am not ashamed in the least of my efforts to keep the OSM database in the best possible shape. However - again! - for the sake of peace and good will, I promise to not touch Ukrainian aerodromes again until further notice. Is that not what you requested?

127891348 about 3 years ago

Andy, thanks for the reply, I was beginning to wonder if any would come - and not replying at all is quite rude to me, we all have our delicate points. I tried the place that you named but it seems to be a telegram group, creating a telegram account is on my todo-list but not a high priority. Allow me to point out that the state of the mapping of aerodromes in Ukraine is an utter mess, various people have tried to obscure aeronautical information in various ways - it looks like a flock of very nervous very individualistic birds flew over an ant colony :) Now this could be the result of a policy agreed upon by the local community, but I find that hard to imagine. Anyway the point is moot: I have decided not to touch aerodromes in Ukraine for the time being - the more so that I see modest efforts by others to put things back in order.
NB My edit was left untouched, so it would seem that the local community cannot be bothered over much. Neither has anyone of them contacted me.
Regards,

121745909 about 3 years ago

And what do you mean by a "linear runway"? Again, our very dear own wiki opens by defining a runway as an area.

127891348 about 3 years ago

Andy,
1) Let us not squibble on words.
2) I never will attempt to provoke anyone - I only do my best to keep our database complete and correct and coherent. Rebuke me if you really will.
3) As soon as you can formally demonstrate the wishes of the so-called "local community" (of which I have no sign of existance!) - and not those of one singular mapper - I will be happy to oblige.

Further: while local arguments and factors may be relevant for certain matters, the mapping of aeronautical data should be universal. The sky and the rules of ICAO are the same everywhere.

127615639 about 3 years ago

I agree with @Edelsalami - it is ridiculous and stupid to believe that the big bad bear will ever depend in the least bit on information that can freely be manipulated by anyone, without any trace of identity or locality. Sheer madness!
I for one will NOT refrain from working on the OSM database, to the best of my ability, neither in Ukraine nor in Patagonia.

124566392 over 3 years ago

Thanks for adding this runway, there was however no need to add it twice; I took the liberty to remove the double. Have you any idea what kind of flying happens here?

124180949 over 3 years ago

Yes, indeed, tatsaechlich :)
Removing a thing that has at one time been there is never the best idea, it might be re-added which could even lead to a revert-war.
As for the land-use: in my very personal opinion, "grass" is not a land-use, it is a surface". Land-use can be "industrial" or "commercial" or "military" or such. But that is an old discussion, and I won't deeply engage in it.
M.fr.gr.,
Karel ADAMS

124200995 over 3 years ago

The aerodrome was already mapped, as way/425941434. Please avoid double information.

124180949 over 3 years ago

Next time, please add a "closed" or "disused" tag somehow - I had almost re-added the aerodrome.

122888997 over 3 years ago

No reaction after a fair time of waiting, I'll clean up by myself.

122448359 over 3 years ago

Yes, I must agree to all those points. And yet... I would have preferred "no:aerodrome". Still, as long as I keep my periodical checks running, any future return would be soon detected, so we are on the safe side for now. Thanks again!

122448359 over 3 years ago

Thank you, Mateusz, but no:
1/ I am not totally convinced that it does not exist, I would want to have verified on site before doing that - and I live a long way off.
2/ removing aerodromes (real or not) is in my experience a poor approach: it is an invitiation to re-add them, possibly by a different mapper. Better to leave some trace, so that the history remains visible. That is what I tried to do, with a twist of humour. More formal would have been a "no:aeroway=aerodrome" as suggested in the wiki.

122018239 over 3 years ago

Daar heb ik ook al de hele tijd mijn twijfels bij. Ik _denk_ dat ik er een apart terrein van zou maken. area=yes, landuse=industrial, operator=belgocontrol, comment=Luchtverkeerscontrolecentrum Steenokkerzeel o.i.d. Bemerk dat Skeyes enkel een handelsnaam is, net als Coca Cola of Mercedes :) maar dus officieel niets te betekenen heeft.

122018239 over 3 years ago

Heel graag! Ik ging eraan beginnen, maar reeds bij een eerste blik werd het me duidelijk dat het een behoorlijk groot werk wordt, waarvoor ik nauwelijks de tijd/energie kan opbrengen. Ga uw gang, dus, en vraag gerust om details - nog tot eind juni kom ik daar elke woensdag voorbij, om in Kortenberg de trein te nemen. Ook: reeds bedankt voor het terugdraaien van die "aparte luchthaven", mijn statistieken zien er alweer wat beter uit! Hartelijk, Karel ADAMS

122018239 over 3 years ago

Okee, ik vat het aan, het zal wel in stapjes gebeuren want het zijn hier drukke dagen. Dank voor de positieve instelling!

122018239 over 3 years ago

Het is een beetje ongelukkig om dit gebiedje als een aparte luchthaven te mappen. Het lijkt me veel meer aangewezen om de huidige mapping van de "echte" luchthaven uit te breiden tot aan de draadafsluiting, dus inclusief de Ringbaan.