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Baloo Uriza's Comments
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| 55452940 | almost 8 years ago | Hello!
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| 55462754 | almost 8 years ago | Hello!
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| 55448930 | almost 8 years ago | Looks like this got attached to the Dean Street centerline, which definitely isn't accurate. |
| 55450589 | almost 8 years ago | Looks like you attached the park to the street's centerline, which definitely wouldn't be accurate. |
| 55450634 | almost 8 years ago | Hello!
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| 55450652 | almost 8 years ago | Hello!
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| 55450752 | almost 8 years ago | Is this a footway or is it a path? If it's narrow and primarily built for walking, then, footway is appropriate (and if it's open to bicycles despite that, then bicycle=yes should be added). Otherwise, highway=path, foot=yes, bicycle=yes might be a better set of tags. |
| 55442430 | almost 8 years ago | Hello!
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| 55444492 | almost 8 years ago | Hello!
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| 55367616 | almost 8 years ago | I'm sorry you can't accept the ground truth as fact, and I'm done trying to point out the difference between a route and a road or how to read a relation. |
| 55418044 | almost 8 years ago | Hello!
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| 55397514 | almost 8 years ago | You're describing a similar situation where the route and the roads that make up the route have different names; it wouldn't surprise me if the relation for US 6 has that name, and if it's signposted and there's documentation backing it up, then yes, I would support updating the name on the relation for route US 6 to that. The cycleway adjacent to the Liberty Parkway is also signposted as the Liberty Parkway Trail, albeit more consistently than the adjacent Liberty Parkway is signposted. Liberty Parkway is a member of the route "Creek Turnpike", and is mapped as such. I'm all in favor of dropping "Memorial" out of the name, since I believe we're all in agreement that part of the name isn't a thing, and moving alt_name to loc_name to reflect the local vernacular. Heck, I'd even help you if you want to go to the state and get the Liberty Parkway name removed so the ground truth reflects that. But until that happens, then the reality is, the Creek Turnpike runs over the Liberty Parkway through southern Broken Arrow. |
| 55397514 | almost 8 years ago | A similar situation would be in Hood River County. FS 44 is most highly known as Dufur Valley Road, but most people know it as Camp Baldwin Highway. |
| 55397514 | almost 8 years ago | However, it's a safe default to use Liberty Parkway due to it's signposted status, locals will already be familiar with the situation and be aware even if the data consumer is not, and non-locals will typically be entering just before the confirmation signage. For someone unfamiliar with the area, seeing OK 364 is enough, which is both on the way (obsolete method) and on the route relation (current method). Most data consumers, destination tagging unaware, are both route relation and way tagging aware. Most route introductions (say, northbound surface street to westbound turnpike) will say either "Turn left" or "Turn left towards Creek Turnpike" or "Turn left towards Liberty Memorial Parkway" or "Turn left towards Creek Turnpike, Liberty Parkway, OK 364" or some combination of that as it is. Basically, just because your data consumer only picks up on one of these things is not an argument against more complete tagging. |
| 55397514 | almost 8 years ago | Which isn't meant to be condescending to participants in this thread, so much as the ire expressed is most properly directed to developers of software that uses OSM data and is not conforming to use the assumptions you're using for your use case in particular. |
| 55397514 | almost 8 years ago | The road is officially known as Liberty Memorial Parkway, it's signed as Liberty Parkway, and the route is Creek Turnpike and Oklahoma Highway 364. The only conceivable argument I'm seeing here is for those that don't understand what relations are and that data consumers can and do also consume relations. |
| 55390192 | almost 8 years ago | Any edit in Oklahoma is what will probably appear for me. |
| 55390192 | almost 8 years ago | You're in Oklahoma, and that's my area of interest. |
| 55367616 | almost 8 years ago | That said, I don't envy any of us for dealing with Oklahoma's entirely insane inconsistency in dealing with highway names in general. However, ultimately, getting things named consistently at all levels is something that needs to be handled at the level of "stop (re-)electing people who are in favor of arbitrarily renaming everything" and less at "let's start editing OSM against reality" level. I want to be on your side, but that's not what's on the ground right now. |
| 55367616 | almost 8 years ago | That picture is referencing route numbers and route names, not street level names. You find a similar situation in Oregon, for example, at Mission Street and Santiam Highway in the Salem area or OR 569 Randy Papé Beltline, previously known and alternately signed as The Beltline or Beltline Road. Route signage for OR 569 "Beltline" doesn't stop it from being known as OR 569 "Randy Papé Beltline", other than the Oregon DOT being substantially more consistent about updating signage in a timely manner. Whereas, even with streets that have been long since renamed, it's common for OklaDOT to sign its streets by shield (or transliterating the shield only) to the wayfinding signs, even after updating confirmation signage to be consistent. This differs from purely honorary signage, which uses brown signs. For example, US 26 in the Portland western suburbs, is Northwest Sunset Highway or just Sunset Highway where it runs through southwest or ambiguous parts of town. There are brown signs indicating honorific naming, and legislation indicating a specifically secondary name, and the route shields are specifically "US 26". In the Liberty Parkway's case, the legislative name is specifically "Liberty Memorial Parkway," the actual signs say "Liberty Parkway" or simply "Turnpike", and the route shields are OK 364 or the OTA route "Creek Turnpike", ie, named instead of numbered, route. OSM is going towards using relations to handle routes, and both the OTA route and the OK 364 route on the section in question are named "Creek Turnpike", as that name undeniably describes the whole route. However, there are constituent roadways with a differing name. Please note that the route name is not in dispute, and so far, all arguments in this thread for naming the road "Creek Turnpike" are ignoring that the route are what is most commonly referred to. In which, I would direct folks expecting the whole route name to refer to relation/7251917, relation/4117702, relation/1250472 and relation/1250473 The way names _litearlly_ only apply to the ways. I believe US Highway 266, Duke 87 and baveggies9999 are _entirely_ correct for the routes, and if the names differ from "Creek Turnpike", then, yes, go ahead and change those names, but for the actual constituent ways between US 169 and OK 51, that's the Liberty Parkway. |