"Survey" as a source can be a noun, rather than a verb, and I provided my sources, which are not illegitimate. When I've verified something in person, I use "local knowledge." I really don't appreciate how you seem to be monitoring and moderating my changesets, and your continued skepticism about my edits. Simply missing a note field does not constitute "pretty poor mapping," and a misnamed path is a very small deal. I'm using the official trail maps and guides created by the NJDEP, and I always make a concerted effort to find and use the most current versions of the PDFs available online. I would appreciate if you would not police my work; the pines are neither yours nor mine alone. I've been collecting the changesets where you call me out, and I'd rather not have to escalate this. If you can provide a source to prove that my sources are outdated, I'd be glad to see it.

Oh very interesting. Thanks much!

Interesting! Good catch. They have the same name but appear to have different boundaries. What made me research this in the first place is a streetlight banner at Clybourn & Milwaukee calling the area the Hi-Fi District, which apparently means Historic Financial District, which is apparently contiguous (or so I thought) with the East Side Commercial Historic District. Strange and interesting that we should have two different sources with the same name but different boundaries. Yours is from 1986 and typewritten, but mine is undated and typeset in a word processor: https://city.milwaukee.gov/ImageLibrary/Groups/cityHPC/DesignatedReports/vticnf/HDEastSideComm.pdf Can historic districts' extents be updated/revised? I dunno. What do you think we should do? (I wouldn't have drawn mine in if I'd seen yours first; sorry I didn't!)

Definitely! This is the first I've seen the NJ Cycle Route Relations page and I'm happy to contribute. I mapped the Pine Barrens River Ramble and Burlington County Bikeways routes last week, for instance. Thanks again!

It doesn't look like user Valustaides has been active in about a year. I thought it was you who added the RRA reference initials. I wonder if we should remove it since it can't be corroborated. What do you think?

Ah cheers - sorry about that!

Hello! Can you tell me about the RRA bicycle route you created? What does RRA stand for, and where can I learn more about it? I don't see it anywhere at https://www.nj.gov/transportation/commuter/bike/guide.shtm

Good point. Thanks!

If this is the case, I'm sorry; I was misled. But I was specifically told by a trusted source that they were trenches dug for fires, and the OSM feature type "trench" with barrier=ditch seemed like a not-incorrect, low-impact choice since they barely render in any webmaps, including OSM. Trenches/ditches most accurately describe what I've seen with my eyes, and until OSM has plow lines as features, I'd argue trenches are the safest choice to prevent wandering feet and bicycles. I was mapping with no ill intent. In fact, the reason I have mapped so many of these features as trenches throughout Wharton SF is because they WERE mapped as paths for several years, and Strava and RidewithGPS activity heatmaps will back this up all throughout the Pines. I really don't appreciate the aggressive tone of some of your comments on my changesets or how territorial you seem to be over this area in particular. The Pines are a very important place to me too and there are particular places that are special to me. In and out of the Pines, I map based on my personal memories, GPX files, aerial imagery from as many sources as I can find, and LIDAR layers to boot. I use all available resources. Please don't assume the worst from other people who want the best for a common interest.

Thanks much! I hate it when folks snap boundaries and landuse to transportation features. Because then I inevitably miss something and this happens. Cheers!

Yep! It didn't seem right that the Freshwater Way and 6th St HAST segments were "Cycle and Foot Paths" while the other 90% of the trail is a general path/highway=path. It felt important to make that consistent. But to answer your question, you bring up a good point: it is signed as a sidewalk, but is functionally a shared/multi-use path. Moreover, I've learned the DNR will be re-signing the entire HAST next year, and resurfacing several sections. I've also been assured they and the City will be highlighting the seams in the 6th St bridge mechanism on the concrete sidewalk/path area - they've been alerted that the mechanism joints have gaps that catch bike tires. Time will tell!

Dunno! I'm happy to defer to you on that. I'm really only concerned with neighborhood boundaries and names so Wandrer.earth updates with them. I also noticed Overlook Farms has unusual, red wooden signs with the name at entrance points along 76th St, but I can't find any other Greendale neighborhoods like these two.

Thanks! Are there m/any others? I based my edits on Greendale's neighborhood names and boundaries on the maps in the comprehensive plan document. But they're all simply referred to by the letters of the streets they contain. Frustrating!

Aha! Never mind - I just found the name in Street View, on a stone wall. I guess that makes it more of a subdivision or condo/apt complex name than a neighborhood name, but what do you think?

Hello! I'm really curious how/where you found the name Overlook Lakes for the Greendale neighborhood with W names. The F streets neighborhood was also named - Overlook Farms - but I can't corroborate this anywhere else, online or offline.

Got it! What about the corridors and districts from the p.35 map? I don't know of an accurate precedent for those - do you?

Great, thanks! If it's cool with you, I was going to start adding boundaries for the HC neighborhoods. Any advice or requests?

I'm very curious about your source for the Overlook Park neighborhood boundary. Could you share it? Thanks!

Hi! Could you share the HC planning documents you mentioned in your changeset note? I looked but couldn't find any, and I'm very curious. Thanks!

Hi there. Please remember to connect new ways that you draw. The various Warnings shown in this changeset indicate unconnected ways.